xtro capabilities
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Forum Name: Punisher and X-tro
Forum Description: Discussion / Questions about the Punisher and X-tro
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Topic: xtro capabilities
Posted By: VPAS
Subject: xtro capabilities
Date Posted: 07 February 2007 at 7:20am
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cant find any where on here the wattage ratings and spl for the xtro's (unless im being blind) can anyone help ------------- n^2 modulo -P = number wang |
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Posted By: VPAS
Date Posted: 08 February 2007 at 8:56am
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so 54 views but no info, does ne one actually no the specs on these
cheers ------------- n^2 modulo -P = number wang |
Posted By: Nigey-C
Date Posted: 08 February 2007 at 8:15pm
| yeah,,, - click here to find out |
Posted By: VPAS
Date Posted: 09 February 2007 at 7:52am
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cheers but that is infact a blank page
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Posted By: Mircea Bartic
Date Posted: 09 February 2007 at 9:19am
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about 135dB Continuous in it's frequency range: 90-18000Hz 800W rms kick 200W rms Mid 50W rms Hf ------------- general manager & head designer at nexus-acoustics research http://www.facebook.com/nexus.acoustics.research" rel="nofollow - http://www.facebook.com/nexus.acoustics.research Ex Nexus_3 |
Posted By: VPAS
Date Posted: 09 February 2007 at 10:46am
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cheers
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Posted By: discosucks
Date Posted: 21 October 2013 at 10:32pm
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Thinking of swapping out my h3's for a set of these as i desire more UMFF on the kick area . Now dont get me wrong the h3's kick very well but would the XTRO's kick harder?
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Posted By: toastyghost
Date Posted: 21 October 2013 at 10:37pm
| No. Personally I think that would be a massive downgrade in terms of overall quality. |
Posted By: discosucks
Date Posted: 21 October 2013 at 11:16pm
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Ah thanks :) Maybe just more h3's is what I need .
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Posted By: toastyghost
Date Posted: 22 October 2013 at 6:07pm
Definitely, lovely boxes. If it's more kick, get some Martin 215Mk3! |
discosucks wrote:Posted By: Shortrope
Date Posted: 22 October 2013 at 8:07pm
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H3? Love to know what that is...
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Posted By: djeddie
Date Posted: 22 October 2013 at 8:29pm
http://www.martin-audio.com/products/h3+.asp" rel="nofollow - Try this link ------------- Chas n Dave : it's like Drum and Bass but with beards. E=mc² ±3dB |
Posted By: Shortrope
Date Posted: 22 October 2013 at 8:37pm
| Oooo...nice!! |
Posted By: discosucks
Date Posted: 22 October 2013 at 9:21pm
| Give me a bell and you can take a listen to mine sometime shortope :) |
Posted By: Shortrope
Date Posted: 22 October 2013 at 9:34pm
I may well take you up on that...whereabouts are yer??
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Posted By: discosucks
Date Posted: 22 October 2013 at 10:37pm
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I'm down in sligo bro! I actually wrote to you a while ago on your facebook page :) Where do you hail from?
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Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 22 October 2013 at 11:04pm
Why exactly that would be the case? ------------- Marjan Milosevic MM-Acoustics www.mm-acoustics.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/MM-Acoustics/608901282527713 |
Posted By: discosucks
Date Posted: 22 October 2013 at 11:21pm
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Well I figured just because the H3s are such a high quality . |
Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 22 October 2013 at 11:26pm
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Well i would say you figured wrong. Nicely built Xtros will stomp the H3 in their operating range. Will kick harder for sure. ------------- Marjan Milosevic MM-Acoustics www.mm-acoustics.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/MM-Acoustics/608901282527713 |
Posted By: jamieb
Date Posted: 22 October 2013 at 11:28pm
I agree, while the Xtro offers lots of tweeking options its still really a diy cab, The H3 has had a huge design budget by martin and is one of the sweetest sounding cabinets on the market.
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Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 23 October 2013 at 12:34am
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Which does not prove anything really. A/B them and then say what you will hear. ------------- Marjan Milosevic MM-Acoustics www.mm-acoustics.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/MM-Acoustics/608901282527713 |
Posted By: discosucks
Date Posted: 23 October 2013 at 12:52am
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My h3's are one of the best sounding mid-tops iv heard . But im sure the xtro's do kick harder , would be surprised if the high section on the xtro's sounded anywhere as nice tho .
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Posted By: discosucks
Date Posted: 23 October 2013 at 12:59am
| But i guess a ab test is the only real way to test this , and i really still like the look of them and will hopefully build some soon :) |
Posted By: cravings
Date Posted: 23 October 2013 at 1:59am
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expensive experiment. i have a pair of the 8" drivers and some time will get round to building a pair of the 8" horns to have a play with. the mid high section on my martin W3s seems pretty similar to the H3 high. haven't brought them out yet though.. |
Posted By: Shortrope
Date Posted: 23 October 2013 at 7:51am
Yeah man...I remember. I'm all the way down in West Cork! If I'm up your way I'll give you a shout, I never been to Sligo. I'd really like to hear those H3s, that's the kind of Mid top Cab I'd like to build eventually. |
Posted By: discosucks
Date Posted: 23 October 2013 at 1:53pm
@ cravings . Yea i was looking at the w3s , same kind of phase ball on the 6" that the h3' has on the 10" .  . I was looking to build something like them too shortrope , but my lack of knowledge using modelling software has held me back when haha , but there is some designs available for 3 way boxes like them ( folded kick section , horn mid/hi ) . |
Posted By: Shortrope
Date Posted: 23 October 2013 at 2:16pm
I'm trying to find a design I can adapt... I'd really like to make up a one piece twin horn baffle with phase plugs in GRP. I've got this fancy image in my head of lovely dark wood Veneer cabs with neat coloured horn/baffle and phase plug. I'm fairly sure I've got the ability to build it but I don't know enough about how to design the horns yet. It's a bit frustrating!!
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Posted By: discosucks
Date Posted: 23 October 2013 at 2:47pm
thats my problem too! But it is a very big part of it  I have a guy that does cnc work for me , and will more than likely be getting a cnc machine of my own soon ( my dad is a luthier and wants to start making more solid bodies ) . I know the UK has many box designers but i wonder is there anyone around Ireland working on it at the moment?
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Posted By: toastyghost
Date Posted: 23 October 2013 at 8:44pm
I have, several times, and owned Xtros for a while. Have you? It sounds, well, boxy for want of a better word. Certainly nowhere near as smooth or warm as the H3 and they take a lot more juice to boot. H3 with matching reflex subs is one of my favourite compact rigs and I've heard just two stacks a side easily cover a huge hall (at least 25m squared) for very demanding, aggressive music with ease. I've also listened to Xtros built, tuned and loaded by people who I trust and they always lacked something - maybe not kick or punch, but I just didn't enjoy the sound at all. I believe they were also used at the amp shootout some years ago and Rog and a few other members agreed with me. Not to mention that second hand H3 will be cheaper than a new Xtro, and carry a reputable brand on the front of the grille which means cross hiring and selling could well be a lot easier. Plus at a push, the H3 works as a proper full range box (FOH or drum fill?) with a surprising amount of depth, which can't be said of the Xtro. |
Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 23 October 2013 at 8:58pm
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It all depend what your need is. Xtros are designed to complement the punishers. So they dont go low. Hence their not so warm tone. I have nothing against the H3. But if you need more kick, then xtro is a better box. The mid and high of both boxes are very similar, so b&c loaded xtro should sound very comparable in 300Hz and up part of the sound with the H3. ------------- Marjan Milosevic MM-Acoustics www.mm-acoustics.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/MM-Acoustics/608901282527713 |
Posted By: cravings
Date Posted: 23 October 2013 at 9:48pm
| you think the wooden horn of an xtro could be comparable to the martin mid horn? i haven't heard either... but am surprised to hear someone say that. |
Posted By: Mircea Bartic
Date Posted: 23 October 2013 at 10:01pm
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we made several versions of the Xtro with different drivers and midrange solutions the best results we had were with using a dual 8" midhorn and a 2" exit horn coupled to 4x 1" drivers firing into a manifold. It looked like this:  The midrange horn in the original xtro is not very good. But keep in mind that it was a design mainly aimed at the techno scene. ------------- general manager & head designer at nexus-acoustics research http://www.facebook.com/nexus.acoustics.research" rel="nofollow - http://www.facebook.com/nexus.acoustics.research Ex Nexus_3 |
Posted By: toastyghost
Date Posted: 23 October 2013 at 10:12pm
Maybe it should, but it doesn't, sadly. |
Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 23 October 2013 at 11:48pm
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Forget the wooden horn. Mykeys horn is the one you want to use in the xtro. ------------- Marjan Milosevic MM-Acoustics www.mm-acoustics.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/MM-Acoustics/608901282527713 |
Posted By: toastyghost
Date Posted: 24 October 2013 at 4:21am
All of the ones I've used and listened to have these. |
Posted By: godge
Date Posted: 25 October 2013 at 4:13am
| I agree with toasty that the xtro had a boxy sound to it from the kicks. The 8" part wasn't the problem though with the fibre glass horn. It was more lacking in top end from the 1" I always found and could of done with something more powerful. I had the 1" running of a xt800 |
Posted By: nativelayer
Date Posted: 08 November 2013 at 1:05pm
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Would a 2" Compression Driver work well in beefing up the top end, or does the increased size affect the double 15" horn too much? ------------- There is no authority but yourself. |
Posted By: AM55
Date Posted: 08 November 2013 at 1:16pm
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The reason you use a 2" HF driver is if you need a lower crossover point, the 8" stretches up high enough that you don't need a 2" you can use a 1" that will be cheaper, smaller and have better VHF response. ------------- https://diy-disco.co" rel="nofollow - Audio Visual Equipment Hire Service |
Posted By: mpvw72
Date Posted: 25 August 2016 at 1:52am
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i have been using xtros for a while now and i find that they cover the distance and fit in the space i need to fit the best of the mids ive used, but with most boxes its all about the settins used to get out the best of the box and you can go online and find some recomendations for most if not all the big name boxes but not the xtro. Do you have a recommended setting crossover, EQ, anything along those lines. I like the 2 8"s first time im seeing it but ill give it a try |
Posted By: tv00
Date Posted: 25 August 2016 at 5:46pm
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I think I'd prefer my xtros with xt8s over a h3 top That's actually what I'm using over discosucks cyclops now :-) I think the kick is superior in that staight horn, no honkiness, the xt8 with the b&c sure is insane too:-) ------------- www.facebook.com/babysoundsystem |
Posted By: krestudon
Date Posted: 29 August 2016 at 9:11pm
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Never heard the H3's, as they're not so popular here in spain, but built Xtros using Beyma 15p80nd, which can hold a bit more power than the recommended B&C's, and the kick is awesome. Maybe the upper part is running out of steam before the lows in my build... |
Posted By: tv00
Date Posted: 07 December 2016 at 2:50pm
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I think the recommended driver is 18sound and I'm not sure it's a cheaper solution ------------- www.facebook.com/babysoundsystem |
Posted By: mpvw72
Date Posted: 18 August 2018 at 3:11pm
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at present I'm using 6 XTs for the 15" I have the DAS B-30. The 8" Celestion TF0818MR. Hi end Peavey RX22 and it took me a while to get the settings right so I'll put my settings which may not be what anyone else wants but it's a start. My bass is really big and loud and my mid got lost but after many tries I'm almost there. The Hart of the top is the 8 get that right and you can't go wrong my setting from a DBX management Hi 1.7KH slope BW24 to open 8s 972HZ slope LR12 to 2.0KHz slope LR24 15s 129HZ slope BW18 to 749Hz slope BW12 Now it comes down to the amount of power assigned to each via the power amp
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