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Topic: SOUNDSYSTEM SOUND-OFF
Posted By: paulus
Subject: SOUNDSYSTEM SOUND-OFF
Date Posted: 21 November 2013 at 12:03pm


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Posted By: paulus
Date Posted: 21 November 2013 at 12:23pm
kn0w what ya saying BSO I carry out the least amount ( tower wise ) of stuff possible, towers 7ft high and 4 ft wide full of lights n stuff don't impress me at all, tho every man does his thing and its all good, due anotha GP vist I think, just tidying up cabs a bit and be down :) LONG LIVE SOUND SYSTEM

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Posted By: Motion54
Date Posted: 12 March 2014 at 4:18pm





Posted By: MSS
Date Posted: 12 March 2014 at 5:08pm
Looks like I better bring ear plugs, steel toe caps and a Hard Hat for this one

Nuke


Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 12 March 2014 at 7:39pm
WOW!!!!  WHAT A LINE UP!!!
 
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Posted By: oldskool
Date Posted: 12 March 2014 at 8:04pm

Isn't it Volcano who got Bee to make those 24 inch scoops?? **** me this is gonna be a laugh with all these guys on the go in one night.LOL

 



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Posted By: ermita
Date Posted: 12 March 2014 at 8:54pm
This sounds good NukeThumbs Up






Posted By: jammin75
Date Posted: 12 March 2014 at 9:03pm
123.1 miles from my yard Ouch  me and wife will get there one day !!  LOL


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Posted By: bee
Date Posted: 12 March 2014 at 10:52pm
yes old skool they will be using 6 of the 24's.... at this event.

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Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 12 March 2014 at 11:09pm
Also gonna running that Serious piece a Lincoln amp...? with them 24s gonna be deadlyBig smile

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Posted By: DSTAR
Date Posted: 12 March 2014 at 11:15pm
How many subs each for this event???


Posted By: bee
Date Posted: 12 March 2014 at 11:15pm

@ dub cant say on what they will be using, just got back from franks lockup, working on a few tweeks for them...

on paper this looks like a great night in the making...

Spartacus, can drop some serious weight, when they get it right,

rc1 destroy buildings for fun with there blines

Ebony is becoming a bit of a giant killer...

Volcano have the tools to destroy......

I wanna book a front row ticket lol....

@ dstar its a 6 sub box event



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Posted By: DSTAR
Date Posted: 12 March 2014 at 11:20pm
Wierd that every time a PA system is involved the 4 subs rule does not apply!!!


Posted By: bee
Date Posted: 12 March 2014 at 11:27pm

not really, you have to take into account the type of box, a single reflex would be no match in spl against a scoop, but a double reflex will be close to a scoop.... to be honest its not about the size or number of drivers, its what the operator does that counts....

You only had to see what luke did with the smallest of rigs....



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Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 12 March 2014 at 11:28pm
Got a big grin on my face Bee reading that, really wannt to reach this man, bit of a trip tho

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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 12 March 2014 at 11:29pm
Originally posted by DSTAR DSTAR wrote:

Wierd that every time a PA system is involved the 4 subs rule does not apply!!!


LOL

4x box gigs really show which crews have efficient system & good engineer.



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Posted By: Motion54
Date Posted: 12 March 2014 at 11:44pm
Originally posted by DSTAR DSTAR wrote:

Wierd that every time a PA system is involved the 4 subs rule does not apply!!!<!-- bmi_SafeAddOnload(bmi_load,"bmi_orig_img",0);//-->


6 scoops rule on this was decided before RC1 was even considered for this event. Both Volcano and Spartacus have previously been in with 4 scoops but wanted to enter one with 6 scoops.
RC1 was the last sound to be confirmed for this Today after speaking to many other non-pa sounds.

No conspiracy unfortunately. Just how things turn out.
Generally, new sounds don't enter 6 scoop Soundoffs unless they've a proven track record of a standard of sound quality.

Which sound are you DSTAR??


Posted By: DSTAR
Date Posted: 13 March 2014 at 12:07am
Just saying as a patron to many of these events.  It would be interesting to hear how a PA System with 4 Subs matches up to a Sound System with 4 subs (with the different systtems playing both there genre and reggae). 

Also by having a PA system at the event with 4 subs, patrons would be able to compare the PA system with/to other systems that have been at GP in the past/future.

Since when does domeone have to state theirr sound identity to post coments?  I don't see anyone else being asked to!


Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 13 March 2014 at 12:27am
Still it's not a competition, is it?

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Posted By: TRE4U2NV
Date Posted: 13 March 2014 at 12:30am
are those boxes getting tested again tonite 24sEmbarrassed

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Posted By: Motion54
Date Posted: 13 March 2014 at 1:03am
Originally posted by DSTAR DSTAR wrote:

Just saying as a patron to many of these events.  It would be interesting to hear how a PA System with 4 Subs matches up to a Sound System with 4 subs (with the different systtems playing both there genre and reggae). 

Also by having a PA system at the event with 4 subs, patrons would be able to compare the PA system with/to other systems that have been at GP in the past/future.

Since when does domeone have to state theirr sound identity to post coments?  I don't see anyone else being asked to!


Lol

Just wanted to know if you've entered one before that's all.
This is how things pan out sometimes.
Most sounds in this one will be bringing 6 scoops.
Let's just enjoy the ride!!!!


Posted By: boots-hifi
Date Posted: 13 March 2014 at 1:50am
Its all playground politics Bee, let the sound systems do the talking on the day.


Posted By: DSTAR
Date Posted: 13 March 2014 at 11:00am
No politics and no compitition. Just comparisons (fair comparisons).  Would love to turn up to the event and there are four equally sized "good" sytems each using different design cabs (4 folded horns vs 4 mini scoops vs 4 full scoops vs etc, etc, etc. (N.B vs is used to mean capared to/against)
 
Such comparisons would add a bit of interest to the event


Posted By: mk2_ginger_biscuit69
Date Posted: 13 March 2014 at 11:55am
thought the event was to entertain spreading the vibes of Jam and bryan blessed etc?

Surely can't just be a room full of scoop nerds drooling into horn mouths?....




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Posted By: luton_soundman
Date Posted: 13 March 2014 at 1:48pm
Originally posted by bee bee wrote:

You only had to see what luke did with the smallest of rigs....

ye i heard it sounded alright :)


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Posted By: KWB75
Date Posted: 13 March 2014 at 2:22pm
RC1 isn't really a run of the mill PA rig though, is it?

Pretty much 100% dedicated to bass driven music, I doubt he's ever done a jazz festival with it...


Posted By: mk2_ginger_biscuit69
Date Posted: 13 March 2014 at 2:29pm
Originally posted by KWB75 KWB75 wrote:

RC1 isn't really a run of the mill PA rig though, is it?

Pretty much 100% dedicated to bass driven music, I doubt he's ever done a jazz festival with it...



though not entirely sure how he will fare with the relatively low mains considering his modified amps and general power requirement those subs will sink!



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''Dubstep - an elongated electronic fart''


Posted By: luton_soundman
Date Posted: 13 March 2014 at 7:09pm
people have powered 1600w celestions, tmax 1200, 1500 and 1800 no problem, pd51 52s, bnc 1700w, PD 24"s, so easily enough power

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Posted By: luton_soundman
Date Posted: 13 March 2014 at 7:10pm
goverment took 9 double 18, 18 drivers with pre boostin pure lows with no problems

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Posted By: RC1 Sound System
Date Posted: 13 March 2014 at 8:07pm
Thanks for the warning Ginger, but I'm sure we'll be fine for power.  Might have to limit the last couple of db off the amps, but our boxes are surprisingly efficient so I'm sure we'll hold our own!
 
Can't wait to hear Volcano's 24" scoops - do they sound as scary as they look?


Posted By: QSS
Date Posted: 13 March 2014 at 9:31pm
Originally posted by jammin75 jammin75 wrote:

123.1 miles from my yard Ouch  me and wife will get there one day !!  LOL

126 miles from my yard and I'm there nearly every monthWink  
Definitely reaching this one.Thumbs Up


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Posted By: Tony Wilkes
Date Posted: 14 March 2014 at 9:16am
I am the first to admit that a single 18" reflex sub will not get anywhere near a good single 18" scoop on output BUT and this is a big BUT, take for example my Q18 there is not a scoop on the planet that will match this for sheer sound quality OR diversity.

The Q18 is perfectly happy playing roots etc but will also do justice to a bowed double bass or the bottom range of a bass singer etc.

Not everyone is interested in SPL, some of the systems I have heard over the last few years can do ONLY one thing well, LOUD. Some have been absolute rubbish from the sound quality aspect, and I am talking about some that have been the best received from the so called Gurus.

Don't want to pee anybody off just my totally honest opinion, after all I do not have " a dog in the ring"

Tony

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Posted By: bee
Date Posted: 14 March 2014 at 12:16pm
very well put Tony....

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Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 16 March 2014 at 10:11am
Well, we could use this one to celebrate being in the new Tax Year.Angry

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Posted By: jammin75
Date Posted: 16 March 2014 at 4:30pm
Originally posted by QSS QSS wrote:

Originally posted by jammin75 jammin75 wrote:

123.1 miles from my yard Ouch  me and wife will get there one day !!  LOL

126 miles from my yard and I'm there nearly every monthWink  
Definitely reaching this one.Thumbs Up



Thumbs Up  we will defo get there sum day Smile


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Posted By: Motion54
Date Posted: 24 March 2014 at 11:25pm
Slight change of lineup.

Ebony Sound replaces Ebony Showcase



Posted By: BSO
Date Posted: 30 March 2014 at 10:04pm
Yes,yes,yes....,ah week fi go & Ebony Showcase dem garn but di other Ebony Soun dem step up inna di mix soh we have SPARTACUS...,
VOLCANO...,RC1 & EBONY SOUND....,Motion 54 have di soun manz dem ah soun arf again & what ah line up him ah   ge we dis time yah....,Spartacus & Ebony dem same ole same ole soh noting new deh soh as dem man deh
ah keep up wid di same ting...,den we have Volcano who ah come wid 24"inch monster "Super" scoop ting (Wah...,ah 6 ah dem dem ah bring....???) Den we have di P.A ting R.C.1 dem who just warn fi shiw up di place wid dem crazy b-line.....!!! Question fi di "real" soun manz dem now....,Which one ah dem would yuh seh ah di most efficient soun
yah who can run dem ting wid di least amount ah
amps....??? Impressive fi see amp rack dem wid ah "Bag" ah amps gwarning but equally impressive fi see manz dem section powered by only "two" piece ah amp but can still tear di whole place down....!!! Dis ting yah gwarn be nice fi see who is "who" & wah is wot.......,Mi ah just seh ightt....,bless


Posted By: Marvin
Date Posted: 31 March 2014 at 2:37pm
90% heard good things about RC1 after work i will try make it even if its for last 30mins or go work late instead.


Posted By: SamV
Date Posted: 31 March 2014 at 2:51pm
Oh man so wanna come to this.


Posted By: BSO
Date Posted: 31 March 2014 at 4:44pm
Originally posted by Marvin Marvin wrote:

90% heard good things about RC1 after work i will try make it even if its for last 30mins or go work late instead.
Yes bredda...,mi hear nuff good ting bout dem still & only hear dem once down Nott Hill Carnival back when soh all good deh soh ightt....,Volcano 24 scoop ting -vs-RC1 tower block ah amps will be a interesting ting fi see & how dem "juggle"..?? Well..,me tink soh anyway....!!!


Posted By: Marvin
Date Posted: 31 March 2014 at 7:04pm
Two different cabinets. Will see how efficiency come into play. Speed and control. I gave done serious serious damage to venues on 13A as well as incorrectly supplied generators on floats. I am lying low but not out the game totally. Soon have a play at gp. It's fun not a ego thing for me.


Posted By: BSO
Date Posted: 31 March 2014 at 7:55pm
I hear you bredda & yeh man hear wah yuh ah seh bout 13 Amp power supply....,lets hope seh nine ah dem fall short seen...,bless


Posted By: Motion54
Date Posted: 02 April 2014 at 2:40am
Originally posted by BSO BSO wrote:

Yes,yes,yes....,ah week fi go & Ebony Showcase dem garn but di other Ebony Soun dem step up inna di mix soh we have SPARTACUS...,
VOLCANO...,RC1 & EBONY SOUND....,Motion 54 have di soun manz dem ah soun arf again & what ah line up him ah   ge we dis time yah....,Spartacus & Ebony dem same ole same ole soh noting new deh soh as dem man deh
ah keep up wid di same ting...,den we have Volcano who ah come wid 24"inch monster "Super" scoop ting (Wah...,ah 6 ah dem dem ah bring....???) Den we have di P.A ting R.C.1 dem who just warn fi shiw up di place wid dem crazy b-line.....!!! Question fi di "real" soun manz dem now....,Which one ah dem would yuh seh ah di most efficient soun
yah who can run dem ting wid di least amount ah
amps....??? Impressive fi see amp rack dem wid ah "Bag" ah amps gwarning but equally impressive fi see manz dem section powered by only "two" piece ah amp but can still tear di whole place down....!!! Dis ting yah gwarn be nice fi see who is "who" & wah is wot.......,Mi ah just seh ightt....,bless


Love the running commentary!!!!
Soundoff is for any sound so you will from time to time see sounds entering more than once or twice!!!

"IT IS WHAT IT IS!!"

We are always looking for newcomers to enter.
Don't let some of the comments you see on this forum put you off, as the event, your personal sound, as well as sound system culture as a whole is much bigger than this forum as real sound players and owners already know!

Respect due to all soundsystem fans and owners who do their bit to keep positive vibes in the game!

Because Jah Knows it needs it.


This Sundays event should be nice!!!!


Posted By: dan i dubdub
Date Posted: 02 April 2014 at 5:19pm

 

Originally posted by BSO BSO wrote:

Impressive fi see amp rack dem wid ah "Bag" ah amps gwarning but equally impressive fi see manz dem section powered by only "two" piece ah amp but can still tear di whole place down....!!! Dis ting yah gwarn be nice fi see who is "who" & wah is wot.......,Mi ah just seh ightt....,bless


This sums up the joy of sound system really BSO



Posted By: mk2_ginger_biscuit69
Date Posted: 02 April 2014 at 5:33pm
Originally posted by dan i dubdub dan i dubdub wrote:

 

Originally posted by BSO BSO wrote:

Impressive fi see amp rack dem wid ah "Bag" ah amps gwarning but equally impressive fi see manz dem section powered by only "two" piece ah amp but can still tear di whole place down....!!! Dis ting yah gwarn be nice fi see who is "who" & wah is wot.......,Mi ah just seh ightt....,bless


This sums up the joy of sound system really BSO



is the joy a bottle of strong rum, making that coherent/legible? Wink




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Posted By: BSO
Date Posted: 02 April 2014 at 5:39pm
I dun know dat bredrin...,& yes yuh also know seh sound system dem especially in todays climate is fi ever ah change which to me is ah good ting so gwarn bless up seen....,@ Motion dem..,gwarn wid yuh ting seen bredda as di whole ah we love wah yuh ah keep up wid seen...,blessings


Posted By: BSO
Date Posted: 03 April 2014 at 6:10pm
I hear yuh bredda...,tower block ah amps fi power a stack or two & den ah sky riser wid pure button & knob fi turn on lite dem fi flash & bink fi seh "look weh we have" & dem still noh round,deep & heavy nuh cut for me...,but like yuh seh soun manz dem do dem ting as dem see fit or as dem know soh "YES" all is good & big up to all soun manz dem & crew inna di soun system culture....,


Posted By: ermita
Date Posted: 06 April 2014 at 8:42am
TonightBig smile


Posted By: Motion54
Date Posted: 06 April 2014 at 10:55am
All sounds rearing to go!!!!

I urge you all not to miss this one!!!!!


Posted By: SamV
Date Posted: 06 April 2014 at 11:36am
Anyone happen to be driving past Limehouse to get there? Been up all night and doing fancy cycling it after the kids party I have this afternoon.


Posted By: mrmck
Date Posted: 06 April 2014 at 11:37am
Hope my chest can take it tonite!


Posted By: ReubGold
Date Posted: 06 April 2014 at 12:43pm
Why do so many soundman worry about what how many amps in another sound's rack, or what speaker box they have?

Funny hearing certain people chat bout efficiency, and certain sound always walk with double 18 reflex to face big man 1x 18 scoop.LOL

So allow people fi do them ting, and if rule say 4x, 6x or 8x box on sub, make noise on the people who bring more.LOL

bless


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Posted By: ermita
Date Posted: 06 April 2014 at 12:46pm
^^^ +1LOL



Posted By: BSO
Date Posted: 06 April 2014 at 3:57pm
Bredrin mi nah worry bout wah amount ah anyting wah which any soun bring...,read mi word dem proper ightt & stop wid yuh long ting but mek i try mek yuh overstand sumting soh as yuh knw seen...., dem deh "so called super dooper scoop" wid dem top shelf PD's,turbo max wah ever yuh warn call dem 5,6,7 hundred pound worth ah box come in like dem all fall short ah DIY box ting dont it.....,be truthful wid yuh response now ightt.....,bless


Posted By: mk2_ginger_biscuit69
Date Posted: 06 April 2014 at 4:14pm
Originally posted by BSO BSO wrote:

Bredrin mi nah worry bout wah amount ah anyting wah which any soun bring...,read mi word dem proper ightt & stop wid yuh long ting but mek i try mek yuh overstand sumting soh as yuh knw seen...., dem deh "so called super dooper scoop" wid dem top shelf PD's,turbo max wah ever yuh warn call dem 5,6,7 hundred pound worth ah box come in like dem all fall short ah DIY box ting dont it.....,be truthful wid yuh response now ightt.....,bless



i put this into google translate, but unfortunately it didn't recognise the language.




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''Dubstep - an elongated electronic fart''


Posted By: Jimmer
Date Posted: 06 April 2014 at 6:01pm
Star


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Posted By: mr.dubz
Date Posted: 06 April 2014 at 6:47pm
Originally posted by ReubGold ReubGold wrote:

Why do so many soundman worry about what how many amps in another sound's rack, or what speaker box they have?

Funny hearing certain people chat bout efficiency, and certain sound always walk with double 18 reflex to face big man 1x 18 scoop.LOL

So allow people fi do them ting, and if rule say 4x, 6x or 8x box on sub, make noise on the people who bring more.LOL

bless
Clap word!




Posted By: jammin75
Date Posted: 06 April 2014 at 7:15pm
Originally posted by mk2_ginger_biscuit69 mk2_ginger_biscuit69 wrote:

Originally posted by BSO BSO wrote:

Bredrin mi nah worry bout wah amount ah anyting wah which any soun bring...,read mi word dem proper ightt & stop wid yuh long ting but mek i try mek yuh overstand sumting soh as yuh knw seen...., dem deh "so called super dooper scoop" wid dem top shelf PD's,turbo max wah ever yuh warn call dem 5,6,7 hundred pound worth ah box come in like dem all fall short ah DIY box ting dont it.....,be truthful wid yuh response now ightt.....,bless



i put this into google translate, but unfortunately it didn't recognise the language.





reads fine to mi LOL


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Posted By: midus
Date Posted: 06 April 2014 at 8:20pm
Originally posted by jammin75 jammin75 wrote:

Originally posted by mk2_ginger_biscuit69 mk2_ginger_biscuit69 wrote:

Originally posted by BSO BSO wrote:

Bredrin mi nah worry bout wah amount ah anyting wah which any soun bring...,read mi word dem proper ightt & stop wid yuh long ting but mek i try mek yuh overstand sumting soh as yuh knw seen...., dem deh "so called super dooper scoop" wid dem top shelf PD's,turbo max wah ever yuh warn call dem 5,6,7 hundred pound worth ah box come in like dem all fall short ah DIY box ting dont it.....,be truthful wid yuh response now ightt.....,bless



i put this into google translate, but unfortunately it didn't recognise the language.





reads fine to mi LOL
is that mi or me lol



Posted By: jammin75
Date Posted: 06 April 2014 at 9:04pm
same ting LOL


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Posted By: SamV
Date Posted: 06 April 2014 at 11:22pm
Hello chaps, there are a number of audio entertainment collectives (Much like the old boys club but with a focus on quite a rambuctious hullabaloo) whose reputation precedes them. Some of them are making quite extravagant claims of what their potentially innovative, but what may have been previously considered as overtly lean configurations are capable of. Whilst others are uncontroversially opining that "Might is right". I look forward to tasting the proof of this particular pudding. pip pip.


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"Rambuctious Hullabaloo" name for my own "system" when I have one :)


Posted By: mrmck
Date Posted: 06 April 2014 at 11:46pm
. Well tonite was seriously disappointing. The soundoff has become a noiseoff. operators not listening to their sound quality or lack of... and patrons ears are ringing. Volumne and noise over quality is not what I leave my yard on a sunday and pay my money to hear, bless


Posted By: csg
Date Posted: 06 April 2014 at 11:55pm
that is disappointing, but perhaps not surprising to me - some people at GP seem only interested in SPL.Not all though, i have heard quality there too.

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Posted By: TRE4U2NV
Date Posted: 07 April 2014 at 12:27am
LETS SAY THIS WAS A MASSIVE DISSAPOINTMENTAngry

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Posted By: SamV
Date Posted: 07 April 2014 at 12:41am
Oh come on, details mateys.


Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 07 April 2014 at 12:52am
Originally posted by TRE4U2NV TRE4U2NV wrote:

LETS SAY THIS WAS A MASSIVE DISSAPOINTMENTAngry


+1

Luckily, I just popped in 16:15hrs to 17:00hrs, to hear setup and tuning, as I had train to catch later on.

Don't want to start an argument, so will just say, is best £5 I've not spent this year.

LOLClap


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Posted By: RC1 Sound System
Date Posted: 07 April 2014 at 7:43am

What a great night!  First time we've taken a rig to such an event, so might not have got it quite right, but you've got to have a go!  Thanks to all the people off SP and everyone else who came to say hello and made us feel so welcome.

First "schoolboy" error was unbelievably accidentally leaving the 80hz high pass filter in on the graphic until I noticed/fixed it at about 6:30 - I thought the sub sounded rather pathetic during sound check, so turned the bass levels up to compensate which of course just made the bass noisier and nasty! What a tw*t...

The main tweek we did during the night was to take a few db off the kick frequencies between 80 - 200 hz to soften the bass a bit compared to our usual system default setting.

Had to watch the bass levels a bit due to the power supply and not drive too hard or we would have popped a supply breaker, although we did get fairly heavy nevertheless.

Not being familiar with these events I was a bit unsure on levels, tried not to be too much different in volume during the night from the other sounds, although I think we might have crept up a bit loud on the last couple of tracks.

A few people suggested if we do a similar event again we should perhaps keep the bass/sub levels up but drop the mid/hi volume a little bit.  Any feedback would be most welcome!

It was such a shame Volcano had some technical issues and we were unable to witness the full potential of their mighty system.  I know myself and others were really looking forward to hearing their monster scoops - I look forward to the next time when hopefully they will be on top form...

We really enjoyed Sparticus and Ebony sound.  They both played some great sounds.  I was impressed how good and heavy the Sparticus rig sounded while still maintaining such a traditional "old skool" look, and Ebony managed a great performance and to hold their own despite only bringing 4 scoops - just goes to show it's what you do with it that counts!



Posted By: boots-hifi
Date Posted: 07 April 2014 at 9:13am
Great to meet John from RC1 last night, what a lovely bloke with time to share his vast knowledge of sound. Sparticus sounded the most authentic to my ears with good weight and clean hi's. Volcano had issues but the potential was there, not sure about the cheap hi boxes and what looked like blines as kicks? Anyway where ever they were from id be returning them. Voice coils were stinking! As ever things got very very loud and a bit strained at times for certain sounds, RC1 system for set the bench mark in terms of bass weight without any of the normal by products of sacrificing other frequency to give a balanced sound.


Posted By: Gramps
Date Posted: 07 April 2014 at 9:29am
+1 on the seriously disappointed stakes..

It's the first event I've been to like this for ages, and was expecting a bit (ok, a lot!) more from some of the sound systems involved...

RC1 completely blew me away with what they had. The system was made up of 6 bass cabs, with some sort of multiple cavity design with active cooling system (they've all got power leads going into the back, and you can feel air wafting out of the ports) - exactly what's going on in them I'm not sure, but they don't half kick out some SPL!! Tops were 3, possibly front loaded 2x12" + comp, but not too sure - maybe you can clarify that Mr RC1..?!

Volcano didn't stay on for more than about 2 mins making proper sounds for the whole of the time the I was there (left at 10ish with a bit of a bad taste!). They'd had phasing issues with the subs to start, other cable issues and then been tripping the power breaker when the system was powered up and shaking the building.


Spartakus was a proper oldschool reggae rig, and sounded it TBH..

Sound wise RC1 nailed it with SPL and quality, though for me the bass was a bit hard and lacking in depth. When Volcano did briefly get fired up the bass was lovely and deep and surprisingly defined, but the mid and tops sounded pretty horrible. Spartacus bass was nice and warm, but the rest of the sound I found a bit harsh.

Was a very interesting evening, and great to meet some of the other guys from the forum, just a shame that things didn't come together for all of the sounds, and that Ebony Showcase had to drop out. 

Pics to come later.   

Cheers,

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Posted By: Gee136
Date Posted: 07 April 2014 at 3:49pm
@ RC1

I now know why you guys have the number 1 PA machine in your circles, the machine was proper, abit loud & over driven for me, but the shear aggression is there in the machine........ Thumbs Up 

I bet alot of the other branded systems in your circles is very afraid of you guys  "even if they will not admit it" LOL

Respect.................  Big smile


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Posted By: WORD
Date Posted: 07 April 2014 at 4:17pm

Originally posted by mrmck mrmck wrote:

. Well tonite was seriously disappointing. The soundoff has become a noiseoff. operators not listening to their sound quality or lack of... and patrons ears are ringing. Volumne and noise over quality is not what I leave my yard on a sunday and pay my money to hear, bless


+++++1Clap


I was looking forward to this dance to hear some real heavyweight sounds hitting some serious lows with spl, on par with aba, earthquake, kibir la amlack etc.

So just to say I am not a critic but I will give my humble opinion. I paid my £5 entry fee so I am entitled.


Volcano sound -:

Got to the dance at about 8.00 and I was confronted by a wall of speaker boxes consisting of Ligwa tops/mids and upper bass boxes sitting on top of 6 gigantic 24 inch scoops. to put the scoops into prospective the scoops alone were taller than most people in Golden Palace.I thought someone was going to get serious injuries from weight line.

But when it was Volcanos's round and they dropped the bass it was a major disappointment in one sense but if had got it right with the sub they would have probably blown the tops/mids  because they were struggling to keep up with the 24's.

Volcano is a big sound however if they had got it right and I mean proper then they would have created a rumble in the sound system circle. But alas it was not to be cos they flopped.

Hope next time they get some proper sound testing before entering sound off arena cos the paying public consist of mainly sound who are the biggest critic.


Spartacus-:

Yep sounded low and deep when close to boxes, thought their upper bass and mid tops were struggling to keep up.Any artist who performs on a sound system wants just one thing to be on point and thats the mic, and beause the tops mids were struggling to keep up with the sub this effected the mic quality.
On a different night with the sound turned down Spartacus would have sound very good.Overall i was not impresed with Spatacus as i have been told they have sounded better.


Ebony sound -:

The only sound running with 4 x bass drivers and at times sounded good, not sure how serious you was taking the ting cos at one point i did hear somone on Ebony say him dont like bass...............well you tell me what is reggae without base what a dohnut thing to say.
It was quiet funny watching the owner of Ebony trying to keep order with his mic men, nd must say big up to your 17 year old son round the tower with you.


RC1 Sound -:

First time in Golden Palace alongside 3 x reggae sound system and you held your own.
All i can say is Loud, Loud, and Loud........but controlled, and to see that you posted that you could go even louder..... serious spl.First time i am seeing fan assisted speaker boxs in Golden Palace.Overall RC1 impressed me the most on the night, the fact they are not a reggae sound, with Chef holding his own on the mic....yeh nice first time out.


Speaking to a few of my bedrens and we agree that Jason Motion 54 sould try and put on a dance consisting of the following-:

Ren
Mitchican
Brenden
Tippa

would be very intresting indeed, or maybe not?



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Posted By: Pasi
Date Posted: 07 April 2014 at 4:26pm
Any pics, anyone?


Posted By: toastyghost
Date Posted: 07 April 2014 at 4:33pm
Originally posted by Pasi Pasi wrote:

Any pics, anyone?


Pilfered this one off Ben's Facebook for you



Does look a bit silly!


Posted By: Pasi
Date Posted: 07 April 2014 at 5:22pm
Amount of boxes is pretty, .. well, ... amazing. Lack of splaying on tops is even more amazing.


Posted By: mk2_ginger_biscuit69
Date Posted: 07 April 2014 at 5:27pm
dem sound boi no splay, dey pon da comb filter box machine like da boss. Big combing tings!

Those 24" scoops look dangerous though, the RC1 stack isn't exactly small, but looks dwarfed by that monster stack! I'd love to hear the two systems, BUT, not in a soundoff type scenario where people go mad for SPL instead of pure audio bliss. Give them a room each and im there.




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Posted By: mk2_ginger_biscuit69
Date Posted: 07 April 2014 at 5:28pm
btw, whats with the balloons? Is there a kiddies disco the day after or something!?



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Posted By: toastyghost
Date Posted: 07 April 2014 at 5:33pm
The winner is decided by who pops the most balloons from bass pressure, obviously.


Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 07 April 2014 at 6:54pm
I think one of the good things to come out of the night was the fact that you had RC1 showing that there can be another way to do it. There was a lot of nodding going on accompanied by a lot of smiles, so that said it all for me. People were reasonably shocked to see such a system doing what it did.
Jason, where were you? You missed something. The place was packed and it was good to hook up.


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Posted By: jammin75
Date Posted: 07 April 2014 at 7:08pm
Originally posted by TONY.A.S.S. TONY.A.S.S. wrote:

I think one of the good things to come out of the night was the fact that you had RC1 showing that there can be another way to do it. There was a lot of nodding going on accompanied by a lot of smiles, so that said it all for me. People were reasonably shocked to see such a system doing what it did.
Jason, where were you? You missed something. The place was packed and it was good to hook up.


Clap   too much emphasis on loudest or the heaviest its possible to have quality and volume Smile



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Posted By: Gramps
Date Posted: 07 April 2014 at 8:29pm
Originally posted by jammin75 jammin75 wrote:

Originally posted by TONY.A.S.S. TONY.A.S.S. wrote:

I think one of the good things to come out of the night was the fact that you had RC1 showing that there can be another way to do it. There was a lot of nodding going on accompanied by a lot of smiles, so that said it all for me. People were reasonably shocked to see such a system doing what it did.
Jason, where were you? You missed something. The place was packed and it was good to hook up.


Clap   too much emphasis on loudest or the heaviest its possible to have quality and volume Smile


Well said gents - would be great to see more emphasis on the sound quality, as well as quantity, from systems. Size certainly ain't everything either!

Here's a few pics from last night. Sorry there weren't any of Ebony Sounds on my camera - nothing personal!!

Spartacus -



Volcano next to RC1 -



Volcano -



RC1 -




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Posted By: KWB75
Date Posted: 07 April 2014 at 8:39pm
That Volcano stack is so big it's virtually given the RC1 stack the advantage of corner loading!...


Posted By: Pasi
Date Posted: 07 April 2014 at 8:49pm
Any idea what's in those Volcano top boxes? They look pretty big. I would assume they can go loud but so many side by side is something i don't even wish to hear :)


Posted By: Gramps
Date Posted: 07 April 2014 at 9:38pm
Originally posted by Pasi Pasi wrote:

Any idea what's in those Volcano top boxes? They look pretty big. I would assume they can go loud but so many side by side is something i don't even wish to hear :)

No idea what was in the top boxes, but I think that they're Ligwa creations (someone please correct me if I'm wrong on that). Sound wise, they were pretty horrible - it was really difficult to hear what the MC was saying, and they didn't give any definition to horns etc in the midrange, the top end wasn't great either.. No idea if it was down to the boxes themselves or the engineering/setup of the system. 


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Posted By: cassiya
Date Posted: 07 April 2014 at 9:46pm
Funny thing. I had to run over and tell the engineer from Volcano that he was playing sub through those kicks.. he was pissed and immediately had words and straight away sounded better..
I felt sorry for Ben.. He was whizzing about trying his best to sort it all out..it just didn't happen.

I would have just disconnected the kicks and play 3 way.. Im not gonna be a fool and right off those giant scoops.. anyone who knows anything should also know once they get it right.. it's game over..

RC 1.. What can I say? the look on peoples faces said it all.. big crowd gathered with smiling faces...
the air coming out of those boxes were phenomenal.. well done guys.. hope you like the pics I uploaded to your FB page? PS thanks for the  chillie source mate, it was hot.. too hot.lol

Ebony with 4 x scoops played good tunes but nothing to write home about.. as expected with just 4..

Spartacus.. sounded like a proper sound.. always deliver and with Principal on the Mic doing his thing made it very enjoyable..

Tony .. you look very happy indeed.. It was my pleasure buying you a drink Sir..


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Posted By: cassiya
Date Posted: 07 April 2014 at 9:49pm
Motion 54.. you Sir deserve an MBE for your contribution to keeping this thing alive.. well done that man..

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Posted By: bee
Date Posted: 07 April 2014 at 10:13pm

cheers cassiya,

all I can say is you can lead a horse to water, but you cant make it drink....

the only time the 24's stared to play was when I convinced Bigs to turn off half the high bass (or subs)(wembly blines with a ligwa badge) the 24's were being run 3 a side at 2.66 ohms, way way too much power for the power supply of the building to handle. I disconnected half the 18's and run the 24's at 4ohm, this was the only time the power never tripped. phase issues was a massive issue, no time delay on any cab... there was too many school boy issues to list.... the 18's were run way too hard trying to keep up with the 24's which were not even ticking over and there were a few 18's smoking. as for the tops.... they would make great fire wood.....

my conclusion,

2.66 ohms is no good for high powered sub bass....

allways wire your speakons correctly.....

when your dealing with horns over 3meters long use an lms with delays....

the list goes on.....


On a good note was a pleasure to meet the rc1 guys again, and thanks for playing a classic tune pre event opening.... also great to talk to so many people from sp....


please note I was in no way involved in the running of the rig, and only got involved when it got so bad it was a joke.... re you can lead a horse to water....



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Posted By: LIGWA
Date Posted: 07 April 2014 at 10:58pm
What a fun nite meeting and drink. well done to all sounds for making it a fun evening

EDDIE make sure you got my lamb next month

Motion 54 keep up the works


Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 07 April 2014 at 11:04pm
David VS Goliath....LOL


as been said RC1 no small stack when seen on its own , but Volanco just looks Crazy big man...


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Posted By: Pasi
Date Posted: 07 April 2014 at 11:38pm
Originally posted by Gramps Gramps wrote:

No idea what was in the top boxes, but I think that they're Ligwa creations (someone please correct me if I'm wrong on that). Sound wise, they were pretty horrible - it was really difficult to hear what the MC was saying, and they didn't give any definition to horns etc in the midrange, the top end wasn't great either.. No idea if it was down to the boxes themselves or the engineering/setup of the system. 


I'd say it was more down to the setup than the actual box. Stacked like that, it can not work, no matter what is inside it. I'd love to get my hands on this sort of system and play with my tuning software a moment to see what actually can be done with proper LMS and how the system sounds when setup correctly.



Posted By: LIGWA
Date Posted: 07 April 2014 at 11:39pm
Guys RC1 are great at what they do and have been years. big up to john you no u di man

Volanco is been passed through three generations grandfather, father , and now son

If Biggs want his sound to have this look it's his sound. as a young man he is trying something for sound system tradition

Don't want to be funny here I have seen big men in the sound business and companies not get it right in GP.
Ego is not a go thing it will eat you out.

I go to GP to enjoy a Sunday evening we chat about sound system have a drink meet up with friends and hear some music

We should encourage the young ones that are trying not try to dishearten them we started someway.

Love the sound system thing for what is was and always been. Don't try and change the tradition of sound system

Gonna build a quad 18" next looool

Big up ebony and my boyz Spartacus !



Posted By: LIGWA
Date Posted: 07 April 2014 at 11:54pm
Originally posted by Pasi Pasi wrote:

Originally posted by Gramps Gramps wrote:

No idea what was in the top boxes, but I think that they're Ligwa creations (someone please correct me if I'm wrong on that). Sound wise, they were pretty horrible - it was really difficult to hear what the MC was saying, and they didn't give any definition to horns etc in the midrange, the top end wasn't great either.. No idea if it was down to the boxes themselves or the engineering/setup of the system. 


I'd say it was more down to the setup than the actual box. Stacked like that, it can not work, no matter what is inside it. I'd love to get my hands on this sort of system and play with my tuning software a moment to see what actually can be done with proper LMS and how the system sounds when setup correctly.


Mate I would not worry about these guys. I have had this for years I love it. I will work with Valcano now just to show this is about guiding a man dream not your own Ego's

It's not about LIGWA here. it's about a young man with his own vision for his sound system. More than I can say for you guys that chat and do nothing and have nothing to show

The more you hate guys the more I am blessed..

Looool I love you all xxx



Posted By: bee
Date Posted: 08 April 2014 at 12:08am

sorry alf no offence, you sold him volcano sub boxes claiming they will play up to 150hz, I see it as you taking a mans money, from another mans design (wembly blines), that had you designed would no its a 50hz to 80hz box....... I would want a full refund.... and clearly they could not keep up with the 24's that were not even ticking  over..... by the way were is my designers fee for my double 12 tops you reverse engineered.....all you had to do was ask and I would of given you the plans.....

@ pasi the top boxes cant be splayed due to them being square...



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Posted By: bee
Date Posted: 08 April 2014 at 12:09am
@ pasi I could arrange for you to come play with the 24's if you wanted, would be honoured to have your honest feedback...

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Posted By: LIGWA
Date Posted: 08 April 2014 at 12:31am
Originally posted by bee bee wrote:

sorry alf no offence, you sold him volcano sub boxes claiming they will play up to 150hz, I see it as you taking a mans money, from another mans design (wembly blines), that had you designed would no its a 50hz to 80hz box....... I would want a full refund.... and clearly they could not keep up with the 24's that were not even ticking  over..... by the way were is my designers fee for my double 12 tops you reverse engineered.....all you had to do was ask and I would of given you the plans.....

@ pasi the top boxes cant be splayed due to them being square...



Ben I am not gonna get into this with you.

this is not what LIGWA is about for me it about making it affordable for new soundman starting out and old soundman returning. its not about fighting down a man it is helping a man to get up.

I don't care if people say its cheap but was they or you around when man use to make box out of old wardrobe looool Money was for roast fish and cornbread or corn beef and hardo bread for the meat eater.

but the information you have written here in Big Time incorrect
 
You need to speak to your source and get your facts right and I am not going to chat valcanco's private business on speakerplans

I am a man of love, peace and sound system, please Ben do not make yourself look silly on here everyone know on here I have been around a long time before you was around.  you are good at what you do, don't let your ego let you down.. I will not say nothing but good things about you.
you are a good guy keep it that way. Xxxxx

you are new kids on the block learning well and that is great you

But you have not designed nothing for LIGWA
you are a good box builder learning to design and you are doing well Clap

You have not done anything for me I could not do myself. ANYWAY It's not about me and you here it's about sound system wooopeeeee


Posted By: mooreb
Date Posted: 08 April 2014 at 2:54am
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Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 08 April 2014 at 8:19am
W B-Lines for kicks???Stern Smile and they had a Ligwa badge???Shocked

I'm in the jungle.............where the hell am I going to get some popcorn for this one



Posted By: LIGWA
Date Posted: 08 April 2014 at 8:19am
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LOOOOL yes we do all get along mate, don't  worry,   its all fun and games here, just like having a argument with the wife.

after you kiss and make upTongue   you don't break up with your wife because you have a disagreement 







Posted By: LIGWA
Date Posted: 08 April 2014 at 9:01am
Originally posted by KidCreole KidCreole wrote:

W B-Lines for kicks???Stern Smile and they had a Ligwa badge???Shocked

I'm in the jungle.............where the hell am I going to get some popcorn for this one


W B lines lool,   it goes to show, what you are trying to do here but I can post picture of these boxes in plasa show years ago, again you guys was not on the sound system thing yet. you don't know the history and how things came about. 

But you can not make money  from only building boxes unless you have a factory.
Its takes a lot more than that. alot of box builders have tried it hard.
I don't make money from boxes loool………...  it is from helping

its all about LIGWA…….. love it 

24 of the new earthshaker scoop are here full ply pm me for the unbelievable price! only for sound man who needs the help new and old …. so i will need to see a proof of Id must be a picture of your first quad box or goodman/titan/celestion/fane 100-150 watts speaker 

lets go back to the beginning how did this all start and who started this,  NOT me for sure…
I fell in love with the sound system business and still going strong, loool not by building boxes.

MY Mother aways said Alf Garnett if people are not saying bad things about you, that means you are doing something wrong

 



Posted By: Pasi
Date Posted: 08 April 2014 at 9:17am
Bee: Sounds good to me. I'm down in London way again in May so maybe we can do some measurements and listening around that time?

By any means i'm not trying to pull anyone down or slag anyone off, i'm just pointing out what could/should be done differently to get the best sound quality out from the system.




Posted By: LIGWA
Date Posted: 08 April 2014 at 9:26am
We know you would not do that Pasi. you are right the point you made about some good lms tuning  they could of sound much better. this is how everyone learns 

Was not referring to you my good man Wink



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