Show us your 21''/24'' scoops
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Forum Name: Scoops
Forum Description: One scoop or two ;-)
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Topic: Show us your 21''/24'' scoops
Posted By: KidCreole
Subject: Show us your 21''/24'' scoops
Date Posted: 02 June 2014 at 7:25pm
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S7 21'' mini scoop
excuse the temporary speaker grill  tight clean fast bass  Driver PDN2151 Scoop made up of 1 piece of 18mm ply and curved 1145mm H x 790mm D x 636mm W      |
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Posted By: bee
Date Posted: 02 June 2014 at 7:35pm
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looks good mykey, like the bracing very solid..... how does it sound... ------------- https://www.elements-audio.com |
Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 02 June 2014 at 7:36pm
Like a scoop  leaves a 18'' scoop for dust.......creates more dust too PDN2151 is pretty tasty put some 24'' scoop pics up Bee |
Posted By: bee
Date Posted: 02 June 2014 at 7:40pm
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its a very quick sounding driver for its size. Think im the only one to do a 24".... never seen any others... ------------- https://www.elements-audio.com |
Posted By: cravings
Date Posted: 02 June 2014 at 7:41pm
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mini scoops are getting bigger hehe. looks great. i'd say that's a thumper alright. how high can you go with it? presume it's a potential product and not a potential free plan. |
Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 02 June 2014 at 7:46pm
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Well a mini 21 has got to be bigger than a mini 18 still 3'' smaller than a 18'' full scoop  Product yes. Possibly flat packs. Not sure yet |
Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 02 June 2014 at 7:47pm
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bee wrote:Posted By: bee
Date Posted: 02 June 2014 at 8:05pm
 24" never posted this pic, gives a big clue to the design....
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Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 02 June 2014 at 8:08pm
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An 18 scaled up? My first guess was super scaled up minus the dog-leg? chamber size looks good |
Posted By: bee
Date Posted: 02 June 2014 at 8:11pm
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no was a fresh plan, not based on any design, It follows the basic scoop design, braced to hell, double back baffle bracing, and double bracing on horn. 48mm baffle.... I would call it a small chamber, based on driver size...
The big trouble with a 24" is the band width it plays 20hz to 60hz... is the sweet spot. getting a driver cone that big past 60hz is pointless due to the transient response being way too slow... So its more of an infra scoop, than traditional scoop sound.... This means you need some serious high bass cabs to keep up.. ------------- https://www.elements-audio.com |
Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 02 June 2014 at 8:14pm
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so when are you going to have a 21" scoop clash? ------------- Produce a killer sound. Take no prisoners. |
Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 02 June 2014 at 8:15pm
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box for box Heathrow? |
Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 02 June 2014 at 8:16pm
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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 02 June 2014 at 8:17pm
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yea 4 boxes each tony has some 21"s too ------------- Produce a killer sound. Take no prisoners. |
Posted By: bee
Date Posted: 02 June 2014 at 8:19pm
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you no me heathrow, I don't clash or build cabs to sound better than others, I build to the best of my design ability at that time, and hopefully others like what I do. If it does not sound great, ill try again... Im playing with a few new ideas at the moment including a new 18 and 21 scoop but nothing to show just yet... So ill keep building the old 18 and 21 designs till then... ------------- https://www.elements-audio.com |
Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 02 June 2014 at 8:19pm
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You think I have money to burn lol box for box |
Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 02 June 2014 at 8:20pm
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Posted By: bee
Date Posted: 02 June 2014 at 8:20pm
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if a box works it should sound great on its own.... add 3 more and you got a bigger noise... ------------- https://www.elements-audio.com |
Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 02 June 2014 at 8:21pm
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I haven't got any 21" but I have always liked them and would like to hear them ------------- Produce a killer sound. Take no prisoners. |
Posted By: bee
Date Posted: 02 June 2014 at 8:21pm
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had an 18 and 21 for a few years mykey.... ill dig out some pics of the 21 for you...
and a 15.... ------------- https://www.elements-audio.com |
Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 02 June 2014 at 8:24pm
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its up to you guys exactly how many boxes you guys bring, but four would be good as that would be the number people would take out if it has to be one cab then so be it ------------- Produce a killer sound. Take no prisoners. |
Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 02 June 2014 at 8:27pm
Not sure how long the driver would last in Tony ASS 21''  chamber is massive  Could fit a small person in there  |
Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 02 June 2014 at 8:31pm
If you think the ASS box is shit why don't you clash it? im sure tony would be up for a 'testing session' ------------- Produce a killer sound. Take no prisoners. |
Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 02 June 2014 at 8:32pm
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BIG BOY 21" & 24" Scoops/Horns testing list 1 Mykey S7 scoop 2 Bee 21" scoop 3 Bee 24" scoop 4 Tony ASS 21" scoop 5 Tony ASS 21" horn 6 Tony ASS 21" horn [old one] 7 Tony ASS 21" scoop [old one...if we can find one! I think this one will still be the King even after all this time!!!] ? VentureSounds 21" tapped horn [If the big man is up for it] ? HBL 21" scoop [I will knock something up for a bit of fun and burn it after the test] ? LIGWA 21" scoop [I seem to remember it being mentioned a year ago] ? Rogs 21" Superscooper [if one exists in the UK] RULES: No size or weight limit. SPL taken at 26, 28, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50hz [To be confirmed] 5m, 10m and 15m away from the cab/stack ------------- Produce a killer sound. Take no prisoners. |
Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 02 June 2014 at 8:34pm
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Didn't say it was shit just a little shocked at the chamber size |
Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 02 June 2014 at 8:35pm
Bee's scoop is a 24'' huge jobby |
Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 02 June 2014 at 9:01pm
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if people let me know which drivers they cabs will be using I can update my list ------------- Produce a killer sound. Take no prisoners. |
Posted By: bee
Date Posted: 02 June 2014 at 9:21pm
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im sure I can get a 24" from bigs, and happy to knock up a 21", could do it in mdf got a few sheets I could use. But don't plan it for a few months, got a lot of builds to do first, mainly for carnival.... Happy to bring an amp rack too.... (sae's amps).... ------------- https://www.elements-audio.com |
Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 02 June 2014 at 9:23pm
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has this turned into a 21'' design contest?? this was to show off scoops that are 21'' and 24'' lets keep it scoop based otherwise i'll ask someone to bring along a f121 and i'll put it up against my S21  |
Posted By: bee
Date Posted: 02 June 2014 at 9:26pm
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lol.... please don't Mykey people might start to believe what we have all said for years.... ------------- https://www.elements-audio.com |
Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 03 June 2014 at 12:03am
Here are few pics of my scoops that are not actually a scoop scoops :-).   ------------- Marjan Milosevic MM-Acoustics www.mm-acoustics.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/MM-Acoustics/608901282527713 |
Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 03 June 2014 at 12:22am
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Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 03 June 2014 at 12:23am
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Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 03 June 2014 at 12:37am
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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaha that is a good one :-) ------------- Marjan Milosevic MM-Acoustics www.mm-acoustics.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/MM-Acoustics/608901282527713 |
Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 03 June 2014 at 11:36am
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Tony ASS 21'' scoop
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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 03 June 2014 at 2:23pm
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BIG BOY 21" & 24" Scoops/Horns testing list 1 Mykey S7 scoop 2 Bee 21" scoop 3 Bee 24" scoop 4 Tony ASS 21" scoop 5 Tony ASS 21" horn 6 Tony ASS 21" horn [old one] 7 Tony ASS 21" scoop [old one...if we can find one! I think this one will still be the King even after all this time!!!] ? VentureSounds 21" tapped horn [If the big man is up for it] ? HBL 21" scoop [I will knock something up for a bit of fun and burn it after the test] ? LIGWA 21" scoop [I seem to remember it being mentioned a year ago] ? Rogs 21" Superscooper [if one exists in the UK] RULES: No size or weight limit. SPL taken at 26, 28, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50hz [To be confirmed] 5m, 10m and 15m away from the cab/stack ------------- Produce a killer sound. Take no prisoners. |
Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 03 June 2014 at 5:13pm
B-Line whats Waaaaar---------SUB/BASS Waaaaaar...... who's stepping up! ------------- Musical Roots Reggae Vibration is Life! for music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion!...MUSIC IS LIFE... |
Posted By: PauliePaul
Date Posted: 13 June 2014 at 5:58pm
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Posted By: Audio_Stash
Date Posted: 14 June 2014 at 5:45pm
I like your attitude Bee
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Posted By: razorray
Date Posted: 07 January 2015 at 8:25pm
| Any pictures about of Tony's old full size 21" scoops. |
Posted By: T-Bone
Date Posted: 08 January 2015 at 2:24am
Marjan those look like GSA's mid kick scoops that sit on top of his club Bertha's if I am not mistaken? ------------- BASS, how low can you go! |
Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 08 January 2015 at 9:52am
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Yes they do in a way. ------------- Marjan Milosevic MM-Acoustics www.mm-acoustics.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/MM-Acoustics/608901282527713 |
Posted By: goodgroove
Date Posted: 08 January 2015 at 6:25pm
| Is this 21" linkup going to happen ? |
Posted By: DJ123
Date Posted: 08 January 2015 at 8:08pm
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Posted By: razorray
Date Posted: 24 January 2015 at 8:26pm
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Mykey, If you was to increase the mouth of the S7 21" scoop by 3-4" what will the outcome be? I know it might not be considered a mini again. SPL etc ??
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Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 24 January 2015 at 11:17pm
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Posted By: bitSmasher
Date Posted: 25 January 2015 at 1:39am
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Give them an inch and they want a foot Give them a foot and they want a yard Give them a yard and they want a pool |
Posted By: razorray
Date Posted: 25 January 2015 at 11:24am
| Not sure what the problem is!!. I just asked a simple question... |
Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 25 January 2015 at 2:17pm
It will gain a db or two in the 60hz range and lose a bit low end. ------------- Marjan Milosevic MM-Acoustics www.mm-acoustics.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/MM-Acoustics/608901282527713 |
Posted By: luton_soundman
Date Posted: 29 October 2016 at 1:10am
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Is this ever gona happen? Id happily pay a gate fee to see 2 of each in a venue. Tony what's the price of yours loaded and unloaded please. Pm if it's easier. Thanks ------------- Sound Hire/Sales new/used equipment. |
Posted By: wiz247
Date Posted: 29 October 2016 at 8:32am
LMAO!!
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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 29 October 2016 at 11:16am
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Personally don't see the point of 1 on 1 box test/clash/beard stroking. They will never be played in a stack of one, & buyer doesn't care how well 1x cab measures,they want to know how stack sounds in a venue If builder is confident about cab design, should finish 4x cabs, & take them to a soundcheck with a DJ & system, or get established crew to do it. ------------- Global Depopulation - Alive and Killing. |
Posted By: luton_soundman
Date Posted: 29 October 2016 at 11:48am
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Thats why i said 2 box :) I think it would be great PR for potential buyers like myself. Alternatively I have some builders who don't mind providing me with x4 scoops to test/promote at a dance, would any of the builders on this thread be prepared to do that with theirs? (Naturally if a driver was blown etc it would be replaced) ------------- Sound Hire/Sales new/used equipment. |
Posted By: luton_soundman
Date Posted: 22 December 2016 at 11:58pm
Paul are they the big 21" Full scoop? ------------- Sound Hire/Sales new/used equipment. |
Posted By: Archer
Date Posted: 24 May 2022 at 1:52am
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Can I get plans for the 21" scoop I have b&c 21sw115 speaker please and thanks |
Posted By: Archer
Date Posted: 24 May 2022 at 1:54am
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Can I get the plans for 21inch scoop please I have b&c 21sw115 |
Posted By: luton_soundman
Date Posted: 05 September 2023 at 11:22am
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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 05 September 2023 at 12:55pm
Maybe email B&C and ask them to provide Scoop design.
EDIT:If I were choosing 21"driver for Scoops, would not have chosen that unit. ------------- Global Depopulation - Alive and Killing. |
Posted By: luton_soundman
Date Posted: 05 September 2023 at 4:30pm
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Posted By: luton_soundman
Date Posted: 05 September 2023 at 9:50pm
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Edit: Trying to upload pics but failing miserably
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Posted By: cardiffdon
Date Posted: 05 September 2023 at 10:16pm
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thanks for trying mate.. |
Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 06 September 2023 at 8:57am
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I have couple of 21" full Scoop designs drawn up, could possibly be enticed into some sort of licensing deal, with master builder, who doesn't compromise on build quality. ------------- Global Depopulation - Alive and Killing. |
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Date Posted: 06 September 2023 at 12:08pm
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Posted By: paulus
Date Posted: 06 September 2023 at 12:49pm
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very smart indeed sir :) ------------- TRENDSETTER SOUND SYSTEM |
Posted By: cardiffdon
Date Posted: 06 September 2023 at 3:20pm
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Posted By: luton_soundman
Date Posted: 06 September 2023 at 7:37pm
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Date Posted: 06 September 2023 at 8:47pm
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