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do i need hd horns above 186 horns?

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Topic: do i need hd horns above 186 horns?
Posted By: C-Audiofreak
Subject: do i need hd horns above 186 horns?
Date Posted: 20 July 2014 at 8:23pm
if i built 4 186 horns and 4 X10 mid tops would i need HD15 horns between them ?

Posted By: Timebomb
Date Posted: 20 July 2014 at 10:39pm
No they both cover the same range.

James Secker     

Posted By: kr1sounds
Date Posted: 20 July 2014 at 10:45pm
Originally posted by Timebomb Timebomb wrote:

No they both cover the same range.

depends how many ways hes running it.. 2/3/4 way if you know what i mean

Posted By: Timebomb
Date Posted: 21 July 2014 at 2:00pm
They both cover ~50Hz-130Hz, not much point in splitting it between 2 different cabinets,  just build one or the other.

James Secker     

Posted By: C-Audiofreak
Date Posted: 21 July 2014 at 2:02pm
I think I will build the 186 horns

Posted By: C-Audiofreak
Date Posted: 21 July 2014 at 3:36pm
So these would also be no good for sub bass under 15 inch 3way cabs ?

Posted By: C-Audiofreak
Date Posted: 21 July 2014 at 3:41pm
My 3ways are tuned to 45hz

Posted By: b grade
Date Posted: 21 July 2014 at 6:21pm
186 cuttoff is around 50 (slightly lower with more in a stack). It will beef up the bass, but they are not really made for sub bass.

Posted By: C-Audiofreak
Date Posted: 23 July 2014 at 3:34pm
How many 186 horns would be the equivalent of 1 pair of X1 cabs?

Posted By: C-Audiofreak
Date Posted: 23 July 2014 at 3:46pm
I'm looking for bass bins that will go well both inside and outside and that I can use with my 15 +10 +1 to give the system more bottom end so indoors the 15 of my three way cabs will do kick bass and what ever goes under them will do the deeper stuff but outside would be used with two pairs of them and two pairs of X10 cabs no 15 inch 3ways and possibly later build something else to use it as a 4 way rig indoor use will be set up as 4way and until I build something to go between the X10 cabs and the bass bins outside it will be run 3way

Posted By: monkeypuzzle
Date Posted: 23 July 2014 at 6:13pm
G Sub?

blah blah blah blah blah......

Posted By: C-Audiofreak
Date Posted: 23 July 2014 at 6:17pm
Do they go nice and low Like the X1 states it does?

Posted By: paulus
Date Posted: 23 July 2014 at 6:47pm
There big but sbh folded horns be nice , esp if mainly you require something for outside,lots of these beasts popping up now, plan is on here ,best results seem to be void v1000 driver, and will throw very nice outside much better than a g sub


Posted By: C-Audiofreak
Date Posted: 24 July 2014 at 6:27pm
Had a look at sbh horns they look impressive and if I had an HGV licence I'd be building four right now unfortunately I think they would just prove too impractical logistically do the g subs go low and is there an eminence driver option as their units are within my budget as much as I'd love to load them with ultra quality units I have to way up pros and cons as I intend to hire this system to live bands locally I don't want to be forking out for more expensive units if some numpty blows a cone so I'd need to put units in that are replaceable using their deposit money to buy them so deposit would be affordable?

Posted By: C-Audiofreak
Date Posted: 04 October 2014 at 11:35am
So would four 186 horns be as good as 8hds? I'm thinking if I can get the same amount of kick from four 186's then I could save on build cost and labour instead of building 8 hd's as I am building four x1 subs these would go on top of the x1 cabs then four x15 for mids and tops so I will be running two x1 and two 186 with two x15 per side ?

Posted By: all bass
Date Posted: 04 October 2014 at 12:41pm
If you go with a dedicated sub like the X1 i wouln't bother with the 186 but build "real" kicks.
Instead of HD15 you could also use BPH238/TSE215 or have a look at Staipers ES18 if you would like to use 18's.

And when using kickbins you don't need 15's for tops. I'd go with 12's or even 10" drivers so you can get away with crossing a bit higher to your comps.

Posted By: C-Audiofreak
Date Posted: 04 October 2014 at 12:48pm
Is the 186 not a kick bin then as somebody told me it's not a sub so I thought the only other bass is mid bass or kick would it not run kick as well as what hd's do? Only reason being is they say each x1 needs two hd so that means I'd have to build eight of them I wanted to know if the 186 would be as good as two hd's per side so I could store them easier than the hd's so instead of four hd per side could I get away with two 186's instead ?

Posted By: all bass
Date Posted: 04 October 2014 at 1:06pm
The problem is that the 186 is more of a "general" bass bin. It doesn't go quite low enough to be a sub but also does honk quite a fair bit in the higher frequencies. 

If it's packspace you are worried about then build the ES18's. They are smaller than the 186 horns but move considerably more air as HD15's. And for small gigs they could be used as single bass option (with a proper highpass) without subs. 

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