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Topic: 2way reggae sound systems!
Posted By: app
Subject: 2way reggae sound systems!
Date Posted: 17 November 2014 at 3:32am
Greetings all!

I started to wonder if theres many sound systems who decide to play a 2way system?

Basically 2way bass/tops should be able to do the trick as well as 3way or 4way if done properly.Am I right?

Seems that PA sound dudes are more ok with using 2way than the reggae crews.The obvious reason to go 3way is that you can stack speakers of course but is there any other reason why 2way reggae sounds are so rare...

Even when using a preamp you can still go 2way if you want to.

What you guys think?





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Posted By: fat_brstd
Date Posted: 17 November 2014 at 3:50am
Most 2 way reggae systems are only 2 way in such that the pre amp is 2 way rather than they actually only use 2 speaker types to cover the full frequency range. They tend to use midtops with passive crossovers rather than separate amps for mids & tops if that makes sense.

Only one I can think of off the top of my head is Government who also happen to use reflex bass rather than scoops.

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Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 17 November 2014 at 9:54am
Don't understand when you say 2 way bass?
 
2 way. Bass tops can be done. You will need to use TC drivers. Add motorolas on resistors for extra top end


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Posted By: SMP
Date Posted: 17 November 2014 at 10:12am
Originally posted by KidCreole KidCreole wrote:

Don't understand when you say 2 way bass?
 
2 way. Bass tops can be done. You will need to use TC drivers. Add motorolas on resistors for extra top end


why recommend using PZT's ??? And why tell poster to use them incorrectly with resistors? I thought you thought you had knowledge of devices such as tranducers? Obviously not
it is not the correct way to use PZT's at all. unless you particularly wish to induce slew rate limiting in the driving amplifiers.
This is all very basic stuff a novice even knows
as for the 2way Reggae sound very old's cool we used to call them "Weight n Treble" TUAC used to make pre-amps called just that. then as the pre's evolved more bands were commonplace 


Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 17 November 2014 at 10:22am
Piezos are great when crossed hi. You probably weren't using them correctly

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Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 17 November 2014 at 10:31am
Old school not old's cool

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Posted By: SMP
Date Posted: 17 November 2014 at 10:34am
Originally posted by KidCreole KidCreole wrote:

Piezos are great when crossed hi. You probably weren't using them correctly


ha ha you are funny and clearly do not understand PZT's at all!!! I know how to use them properly which i now know you do not.
lets see shall we what is the basic problem caused by this device when connected to an amplifier? do you know the theoretical circuit of such a device? do you know why the problem gets worse the more of them you add as a load?

do you know how they should be used to do it correctly to minimise the Slew rate limiting error?

this is very basic stuff here with a very simple solution any half decent Eng will know the answers to

So...are you even half decent?


Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 17 November 2014 at 10:49am
Yeah I'm wearing Y fronts but they're not as crusty as yours

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Posted By: SMP
Date Posted: 17 November 2014 at 11:59am
well do you have the answers?? I do doubt that you have anyway but I have to keep in mind as I am often reminded this is an amateur forum so at least you in the right place.

I would rather like the answers to the questions. I will find your responses quite intriguing or at least a good indicator of your lack of knowledge.
but i fully expect not to get any from you as simple things such as this are obviously beyond your understanding or i would have expected the correct answers which you seem unable to give.

AND it is "Old's cool" coz I am both of those LOL


Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 17 November 2014 at 12:07pm
You need to stick to repairing amps and leave us to make peizos sound nice Thumbs Up


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Posted By: app
Date Posted: 17 November 2014 at 12:27pm
Size wise a proper 2way sound system seems like a good idea to me. And you can build 3way top speakers to go with your 4way preamp.

Is there any classic top speaker designs sounds used to have back in the days when they were 2way?

I wonder what was the frequency the speakers of the weight and treble sounds were crossed...
edit. was the bass speakers given more freq since the sound was 2way?


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Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 17 November 2014 at 12:42pm
What we talking about , 2way as in 2x frequencies? (Weight n Treble)

or a 2way system , as in 2way box set up, as Mr fat mentioned Govenment that uses 2way box set up, but play 3way ie mid/top boxs...


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Musical Roots Reggae Vibration is Life! for music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion!...MUSIC IS LIFE...


Posted By: app
Date Posted: 17 November 2014 at 12:50pm
We can talk about it all as long as it stays 2way somehow :D

It would be possible to run a whole sound by using just one amp which might be one reason why 2way sounds were more common back in the days?


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Posted By: corell
Date Posted: 17 November 2014 at 1:02pm
best two way (2 frequency bands) system possible (imo) would be a FAST (fullrange and subwoofer technology). not that many PA- fullange drivers available though...
or as much 15" as you can afford (eg 15ndl76) and bms 4550 on top, some eq for more sub.

if we are talking "two box systems" (??), 18" BR and 12" 1" top is no issue at all (just the passive x over for the top needs to be designed and not off the shelf)

thomann tsa 4 1300 to power it


Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 17 November 2014 at 1:11pm
Cool man, so this could take us back to the old days when you could run 4x16ohm 18" drivers parallel wired off one channel ie 4ohm load, or 8ohm drivers in series ect, ie Quad box/Four Face 

then 2x 16ohm 15" or 12" drivers for mids parallel wired again 8ohm load, so that leaves ya with iether 4x bullets wired with a combination of series/parallel wiring or a bank of Piezos, on the orther channel, on passive crossovers..

ie one amp...it can be done!Big smile 


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Musical Roots Reggae Vibration is Life! for music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion!...MUSIC IS LIFE...


Posted By: SMP
Date Posted: 17 November 2014 at 3:01pm
Originally posted by KidCreole KidCreole wrote:

You need to stick to repairing amps and leave us to make peizos sound nice Thumbs Up


I cannot help but notice you are not answering the questions.  You can always say that you do not know the answers. there is no shame in lack of knowledge. i just got the impression from yourself you were skilled the art.

If this is the case just answer the questions posed. but I am willing to accept you cannot do so & will therefore continue to misuse PZT's

incidentally your utilisation actually makes them sound bad . but you do not know this either. but you seem to think that hiding your inadequate knowledge behind childish jibes at me. This will do nothing to make them work properly. Or further your very minimal knowledge of the subject. It also makes me wonder what other mistakes you make in your "Designs". so in future try not to offer incorrect advice to someone.
just accept that you are not qualified to do so.

leave that to those of us who have a comprehensive understanding of the Physics involved. & BTW I do not just repair Amplifiers I do design them but use a Bench Eng to do simple tasks such as repairs


Posted By: mini-mad
Date Posted: 17 November 2014 at 3:06pm
Cut a very long thread, Charlie and give the OP a samll picture as to bow HE can wire in PZTs to bis system please so we can all learn and he can crack on with his 2way system...... please.



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Posted By: mini-mad
Date Posted: 17 November 2014 at 3:08pm
I give up editing... so many mistakes.... so little time...



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Posted By: SMP
Date Posted: 17 November 2014 at 3:21pm
Originally posted by app app wrote:

Size wise a proper 2way sound system seems like a good idea to me. And you can build 3way top speakers to go with your 4way preamp.

Is there any classic top speaker designs sounds used to have back in the days when they were 2way?

I wonder what was the frequency the speakers of the weight and treble sounds were crossed...
edit. was the bass speakers given more freq since the sound was 2way?

points were usually around 150 ish  back then a lot of reggae Sound Systems used the like of tannoy as mid top sounds such as Lord Koos would use them via passive networks to remove the lower registers and 12 or 15 for the lower midrange effectively using the Tannoy Cone as a horn with wide dispersion  also back then Goodmans driver were the favourite to be found in the Enclosures which were very large with little regard to any real design science scoops were not so common place which was nice as the Bass albeit not tuned properly sounded much better than Scoops which on the whole when they first were started to be used were awful things not designed at all well as the horn was very basic as most builders did not understand how they actually worked missing out much of the throat design entirely "designing them by what you could see from the exterior appearance
PZT were not  used back then relying instead on proper HF devices
to add back then most Turntables were fitted with  "Crystal Pickups" or as I am sure Kid Creole is aware are also PZT's or Lead Zirconite  which are a displacement device that did not need RIAA eq Magnetics came much later in time


Posted By: Gee136
Date Posted: 17 November 2014 at 3:45pm
Originally posted by SMP SMP wrote:


as for the 2way Reggae sound very old's cool we used to call them "Weight n Treble" TUAC used to make pre-amps called just that. then as the pre's evolved more bands were commonplace 

Clap  Clap 

Yes SMP, Boom Pre Amps Thumbs Up 

We grew on listening to sounds playing off them, most of the "Tuffest" sounds back in the mid 80's from South London used to controls tings with the TUAC Weight & Treble Pre's  LOL 

This is why 5/6 years ago Goverment "weight & Treble" of Preston was designed & built around the TUAC 2way sound, @ the time we couldn't find a TUAC so we got Charlie to convert one his 3way pre's for us, then we got Mostec to built & convert his 3way to play 2way "effortlessly" for us, & the rest is history.......

Trick is to find a very good crossover builder for your mid/top box so you "fling" a full range signal @ them & it will just perform.................... (provided right components are used)

Bass for us is strictly below 40hz "Roots & Dub is the only music permitted on Goverment" from our DIY double reflex boxes, 21"s & 18"

If you asking about frequencies, I've got no idea LOL  Strictly Pre amp controls & our EARS LOL..........

Respect.............. Thumbs Up


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When Goverment ah play, infidels, ginals & masqueraders run away.....


Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 17 November 2014 at 4:28pm
This could be a very intersting thread and refreshing TBH , Lets not forget the question ,

OP- It would be possible to run a whole sound by using just one amp,

would like to orther people view/opinions on set up too...




let them orther 2 members fight it out between them selfs...




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Musical Roots Reggae Vibration is Life! for music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion!...MUSIC IS LIFE...


Posted By: SMP
Date Posted: 17 November 2014 at 4:37pm
nice to see an older form of kit being used. Kidcreole is a Dunce with the usual lack of knowledge I come across far too often. they try to take the piss to hide the Bruised egos when it is asked to qualify the "Knowledge" they consider they possess even though it does not truly exist except in their own imagination
I started studying Electronics age 7 & have been learning my whole life as you can never stop when something is a passion such as I have.
I do very little else 7 days a week than Sound Engineering drives my Women crazy I am most happy when i am working on something with a Spliff hanging from my mouth.

i like your use of Reflex Bass Systems as Scoops are awful devices that make a "Noise" but very little Music I do not see any point in Loud for it's own sake the quality of the Audio is far more important than it's level. reggae is all about Bass and therefore should play real notes not just a Monotonic noise with Harmonic overtones this is what make you wine up n skank then it sounds sweet and has vibes.

I love my Reggae Musici started collecting Records age 9 my first was a Coxsone Album which I still have called "Reggae Special" has some serious tunes on it such Feel like jumping, Ram Jam, The rock. I am sure it is known to you mine is still mint & worth a lot more than the £1 it cost me then.

I have thousands now they fill a double garage and the Loft and any other space I can cram them into. being fairly flush nowadays allows me to keep buying them "Wholesale buying whole collections and I must be given several thousand in some years by various sources some free some we swap for Ice-cream of all things!!!  i have lots of soul Jazz funk Motown jazz rare Groove  I only love my Children more than tunes!!!

i am currently trying to get my Bench back online to complete 4 Pre-Amps 1 for me a 4 way stereo with 32 eq bands 16 are sweeps on the outs for a little flexibility!! all the crossovers are sweepable LR 24dB Oct switch-able to 18 & 12 db Oct  all inputs/channels have dual sweep mids & switch-able hi & lo bands all broadcast/Studio quality circuits.
Overkill but worth the bother

you keep the vibe you have going  Big up Government sound hope to hear you play sometime 
One Love




Posted By: Gee136
Date Posted: 17 November 2014 at 6:10pm
Nuff Respect SMP Thumbs Up 

@ app

One amplifier running a 2way system?

There is some serious 4 channel amps on the market @ the moment so I guess it is possible bro.....

Respect.................. Thumbs Up


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When Goverment ah play, infidels, ginals & masqueraders run away.....


Posted By: app
Date Posted: 17 November 2014 at 6:13pm
I really enjoy reading about the history of sound systems,give thanks!

I want my own sound system to be simple and sound good. I understand the point of using 3way or 4way systems but they need more amps take more space etc than the "classic" 2way.

Seems like many sound systems are like copies of eachother,almost everyone is using scoops and the point is just to be loud and heavy,which is nice too. Too bad that the big systems to actually sound good will need a proper space to play it. With a smaller sound it is easier to find places to play and experience will still be heavy+its easier to move the system which means you can use it more often.

Theres good and bad in everything.

150hz crossover seems quite high but there must be some benefits to it?




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Posted By: app
Date Posted: 17 November 2014 at 6:16pm
Originally posted by Gee136 Gee136 wrote:

Nuff Respect SMP Thumbs Up 

@ app

One amplifier running a 2way system?

There is some serious 4 channel amps on the market @ the moment so I guess it is possible bro.....

Respect.................. Thumbs Up


If its mono aint 2channels enough to play a 2way sound. Greetings from Finland! Respect!


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Posted By: Gee136
Date Posted: 17 November 2014 at 6:59pm
Originally posted by app app wrote:


If its mono aint 2channels enough to play a 2way sound. Greetings from Finland! Respect!

Yes app

 2 Channel will do fine Thumbs Up I was just assuming 2 stacks if that's what you was working towards LOL 

But by all means mono IMO sounds great, if I'm honest we 99.9% of the time always try to set up mono Thumbs Up 

Respect......... Big smile


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Goverment Sound (weight & treble roots machine)

When Goverment ah play, infidels, ginals & masqueraders run away.....


Posted By: SMP
Date Posted: 17 November 2014 at 7:53pm
I on the other hand like to string up in stereo using mono sub. and when it comes to stereo you gotta love "Jamaican Stereo" I had almost forgot about it then Friday played a Big Youth track and there it was in glorious Jamdown Stereo!!
But a lot of Reggae is recorded Mono and a majority of Sounds string up in mono


Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 19 November 2014 at 8:35pm
'Weight n Treble' Big smile yeah man



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Musical Roots Reggae Vibration is Life! for music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion!...MUSIC IS LIFE...


Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 19 November 2014 at 8:38pm


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Musical Roots Reggae Vibration is Life! for music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion!...MUSIC IS LIFE...


Posted By: bass*en*mass
Date Posted: 19 November 2014 at 8:49pm
Big smile
sizzling wardrobe...


Posted By: Gee136
Date Posted: 20 November 2014 at 10:58pm
Originally posted by Dub Specialist Sound Dub Specialist Sound wrote:


I like the look of this, maybe in the not to distance future Goverment otta Preston will be on the battlefields with 4 face boxes like this LOL  "No Compromise"

Respect.............. Thumbs Up 


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Goverment Sound (weight & treble roots machine)

When Goverment ah play, infidels, ginals & masqueraders run away.....


Posted By: app
Date Posted: 21 November 2014 at 12:53am
Dont want to start a new topic for this but does any sound system use something like this http://www.thomann.de/fi/art_tube_mp.htm" rel="nofollow - http://www.thomann.de/fi/art_tube_mp.htm to make the sound of their system warmer and fatter.

Not many use tube amplifiers so this could be an easy way to get some of that tube warmness into the sound? Has anyone tried something similar?

Just thinking!




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Posted By: app
Date Posted: 22 November 2014 at 2:09pm
A great interview http://www.trustinwax.com/gladdy-wax/" rel="nofollow - http://www.trustinwax.com/gladdy-wax/

Ill just post it to this topic...


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Posted By: app
Date Posted: 22 November 2014 at 2:22pm
And it is that that made me go back into sound systems. “Do  you do weddings? Do you do parties? We want you to play the records that you play on the radio at our party!” I said “No”, because I had left that behind in Birmingham. The collection was there but the sound system wasn’t. So I decided to build some small boxes just to be able to do parties because the demand was heavy. I built a couple of speaker boxes and they weren’t any good. They were useless! I remember going to the builder and he was building four, the first two I played them but I wasn’t satisfied. Then the second two… I said “If you haven’t finished the boxes, give them to me”, because I wanted to put wheels on them so they’d be easy to shift. I took them from him. I found this guy in west London called Michael Cotter Acoustic Sound Systems who repaired speakers. I asked him where I could get proper casters to roll speakers on. He sent me to this guy in Southend who makes heavy duty equipment for bands and night clubs. I took the speakers there just to buy wheels for them and the guy asked “What are you doing with these?” I said “I play them.” He replied “Nah, they’re no good!” I knew he was right. He said that he had one box that would knock the head of these four and he took me around and he had a warehouse full of speakers. He had a factory. So I said “Ok then, make me two.” He made two and I heard them! They blew me away! That was what I was looking for. That was what I left in Birmingham! I told him to make me six more. At the same time I shouldn’t have been doing this, I shouldn’t have been making a sound system. I only wanted something small to do private parties but they sounded so good! I ended up having twelve eighteen inch scoob bins. Of course I had to buy the tops as well. I was resident in a nightclub because of the radio on Saturday and I put on a few promotions so I made enough money to buy the speakers and the amplifiers. It was easy, well, kind of. The club would full up because I was on the radio and it was adult Jamaicans, adult west indians. I was playing oldies, revival music, 60s soul, r&b, 70s reggae, 60s reggae, ska.

That’s how I rebuilt the sound again and then I joined Notting Hill Carnival, looking for places to play. I went there and joined BASS, British Association of Sound Systems, because you have to join that to play in Carnival.


LOL

Whos the southend builder mentioned here?



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Posted By: TRE4U2NV
Date Posted: 22 November 2014 at 5:04pm
mr t.r.

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Posted By: TRE4U2NV
Date Posted: 22 November 2014 at 5:05pm
mike cotter was a legend Clap

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Posted By: app
Date Posted: 22 November 2014 at 5:56pm
Originally posted by TRE4U2NV TRE4U2NV wrote:

mr t.r.


aka. tony ass?


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Posted By: mrmck
Date Posted: 22 November 2014 at 7:13pm
@app, thanks for posting the gladdy interview, bless


Posted By: dan i dubdub
Date Posted: 23 November 2014 at 9:37am
very good interview, should really have its own thread though


Posted By: app
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 2:18am
This was a fun piece of history from http://www.dancecrasher.co.uk/2013/a-sound-called-sons/


A photo of Clarence Chin and his Son’s The Junior Sebastian Sound System in 1962 which was based on Charles St in downtown Kingston from 1954 to the early 70’s before he relocated to New York.

The sound took it’s name from Tom The Great Sebastian Sound, Clarence was a good friend of Tom’s in the early days and Tom used to give them bookings. The sound still operates in Brooklyn owned by Clarence’s sons Cornell and Big Man.

It’s interesting that the bass speaker seems almost identical to the Tubby’s HomeTown HiFi speaker (right) that was sold a few years ago (now in the possession of Jeremy Collingwood in the UK).

There are few early sound system pictures as good as this, thanks to my good friend Ian Causer for sharing it.

The following youtube video shows Clarence and Big Man in Brooklyn alongside Mikey Jarrett.






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Posted By: app
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 2:31am
More interesting stuff!
http://vimeo.com/28686029" rel="nofollow - http://vimeo.com/28686029

Cyril 'Count C' Braithwaite (1925-2011) was an original Jamaican sound system success story. From his yard at 6 Wellington Street in West Kingston, Jamaica Count C helped to shape modern pop culture and personally mentored more than a few international music careers. A contemporary of Tom the Great Sebastian and a rival to Duke Reid, Count C was a trendsetter and tastemaker before dancehall, reggae, rocksteady or ska. Little known outside of West Kingston... inside he was the Wizard of the West.

For the complete story about Count C see Wax Poetics #48 (Sept 2011)
http://www.waxpoetics.com/wax-poetics-magazine/issue-48" rel="nofollow - waxpoetics.com/wax-poetics-magazine/issue-48

and DuttyArtz.com (March 2011)
http://www.duttyartz.com/2011/the-wizard-of-the-west/" rel="nofollow - duttyartz.com/2011/the-wizard-of-the-west/




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Posted By: SMP
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 9:37am
Jeremy recently toured doing exhibitions with the Tubby Speaker recently. He very nicely gave me a Hand-Printed Flyer/Poster of the Tubby Cabinet. Which is up on the Wall in the Studio/Demo room here

Cabinets like that were used here in the 60's & 70's I have not seen them used lately such a shame. A bit like "Bottles" as do not see them much either


Posted By: app
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 12:38pm
Originally posted by SMP SMP wrote:

Jeremy recently toured doing exhibitions with the Tubby Speaker recently. He very nicely gave me a Hand-Printed Flyer/Poster of the Tubby Cabinet. Which is up on the Wall in the Studio/Demo room here

Cabinets like that were used here in the 60's & 70's I have not seen them used lately such a shame. A bit like "Bottles" as do not see them much either


What are "bottles"?


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Posted By: burningbush
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 1:10pm
Valves.

Have you seen S and P and Axis Sound?4 face wardrobe and valve amps Heart.


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Posted By: app
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 1:19pm




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Posted By: ednew88
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 3:06pm
Wasn't tubbys cab a Jensen imperial? Does look similar to the one above there


Posted By: mucsavage
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 5:18pm
What atype of cabs do Gladdys use now?
Aren't they reflex in the all the pictures?
In the interview he says that it was scoops that he got off Tony.

An afternoon in front of Gladdys at carnival is one of the nicest memories I have of dancing.
Lovely, lovely sound


Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 8:59pm
Tubbys was Jensen as was Coxsones JA and many orthers

nothing like AXIS sounds 4face box...there in the pic


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Musical Roots Reggae Vibration is Life! for music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion!...MUSIC IS LIFE...


Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 9:01pm
sorry read it wrong i think , yu talking about sons box right?

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Musical Roots Reggae Vibration is Life! for music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion!...MUSIC IS LIFE...


Posted By: Maarty
Date Posted: 28 November 2014 at 1:38am
When I retired my soundsystem I built a little full range 2-way box for home (co-axial 15" + 2") it works very well. Only 300watts and not idea for gigs, but lots of fun at home and small for parties.

http://s122.photobucket.com/user/Marty_Vital/media/2way_zpsa57178ca.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">

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Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 28 November 2014 at 6:46am
Maarty. LOVE IT


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Posted By: app
Date Posted: 01 December 2014 at 1:13am
A beautiful system! Copesetic Sound System!Respect!




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Posted By: app
Date Posted: 01 December 2014 at 1:26am
What are those boxes?Sound nice even in a youtube vidLOL


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Posted By: app
Date Posted: 28 December 2014 at 1:56pm
Wondering what the "perfect" crossover points would be for my 2way system.

Id like to hear the benefits of crossing subs from lets say 80hz,100hz,120hz or 140hz...

Is there a difference in terms of fullness of the bass between different xover points?

Ill get a chance to test the system soon and would like to get some possible ideas about the xover points before that.




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Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 28 December 2014 at 2:04pm
I think thay are influenced by Axis Sound , paul might/prob have build there boxs too, around old vintage look/designs

thay play along each orther quite regular


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Musical Roots Reggae Vibration is Life! for music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion!...MUSIC IS LIFE...


Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 29 December 2014 at 12:51pm
Here's a few more pics app off Copesetic boxs, if yu havent seen them

 very Interesting port design..nice

Vintage love it!!







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Musical Roots Reggae Vibration is Life! for music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion!...MUSIC IS LIFE...


Posted By: app
Date Posted: 29 December 2014 at 1:13pm
Nice pictures! Those ports look sick! I wonder where they got the design for the boxes...


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Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 29 December 2014 at 1:35pm
Design's like these hark back to the Soundsystem's of the 60s/70s

examples , King Tubbys , The Aces, Active, Tip-a-Tone, V-Rocket, Count Shelly, Mutt & Jeff...

 buitifull Artwork too pic example's,














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Musical Roots Reggae Vibration is Life! for music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion!...MUSIC IS LIFE...


Posted By: app
Date Posted: 29 December 2014 at 2:18pm
Those things are just pretty!

I was thinking where they actually got the plans. Did they reverse engineer an old box somehow,did someone have an old box somewhere which they measured...

Who knowsLOL There must still be people who have plans for such cabs..If I remember correctly theres some old speaker plans etc in this blog http://www.itishifi.com/%20" rel="nofollow - http://www.itishifi.com/


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Posted By: app
Date Posted: 29 December 2014 at 2:38pm
This is a control towerBig smile Not a reggae system I think but kinda related anyway. What does it say in the front?





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Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 29 December 2014 at 2:54pm
Thats Soferno B Soundsystem, check out the link man...

http://forum.dancehallreggae.com/showthread.php/238564-Any-tapes-of-Soferno-B" rel="nofollow - http://forum.dancehallreggae.com/showthread.php/238564-Any-tapes-of-Soferno-B




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Posted By: app
Date Posted: 29 December 2014 at 2:59pm
Okay! So thats definetly a reggae sound systemLOL


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Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 29 December 2014 at 3:04pm
yep deffo lol

thay some tuff tuff tune on there label too man..

http://chabbayouth.co.uk/" rel="nofollow - http://chabbayouth.co.uk/



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Musical Roots Reggae Vibration is Life! for music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion!...MUSIC IS LIFE...


Posted By: mrmck
Date Posted: 29 December 2014 at 7:13pm
Anyone got a pic of the Stereograph bi-phaser? I say anyone I mean dub specialist really


Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 30 December 2014 at 11:18am
I havent yunno man , rare pic that would be too...Smile...wkd piece of unit man,

anyhow check out the box/artwork on these app/everyone , very nice!


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Musical Roots Reggae Vibration is Life! for music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion!...MUSIC IS LIFE...


Posted By: jammin75
Date Posted: 30 December 2014 at 11:37am
Thumbs Up

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Posted By: Motion54
Date Posted: 30 December 2014 at 1:57pm
Originally posted by Gee136 Gee136 wrote:

Originally posted by SMP SMP wrote:


as for the 2way Reggae sound very old's cool we used to call them "Weight n Treble" TUAC used to make pre-amps called just that. then as the pre's evolved more bands were commonplace 


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Yes SMP, Boom Pre Amps Thumbs Up 

We grew on listening to sounds playing off them, most of the "Tuffest" sounds back in the mid 80's from South London used to controls tings with the TUAC Weight & Treble Pre's  LOL 

This is why 5/6 years ago Goverment "weight & Treble" of Preston was designed & built around the TUAC 2way sound, @ the time we couldn't find a TUAC so we got Charlie to convert one his 3way pre's for us, then we got Mostec to built & convert his 3way to play 2way "effortlessly" for us, & the rest is history.......

Trick is to find a very good crossover builder for your mid/top box so you "fling" a full range signal @ them & it will just perform.................... (provided right components are used)

Bass for us is strictly below 40hz "Roots & Dub is the only music permitted on Goverment" from our DIY double reflex boxes, 21"s & 18"

If you asking about frequencies, I've got no idea LOL  Strictly Pre amp controls & our EARS LOL..........

Respect.............. Thumbs Up


Biggup Gee, for stepping out of the box and going down the unique original route!!!


Posted By: Gee136
Date Posted: 30 December 2014 at 6:27pm
Originally posted by Motion54 Motion54 wrote:


Biggup Gee, for stepping out of the box and going down the unique original route!!!
 

Nuff respect bredrin Thumbs Up 


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When Goverment ah play, infidels, ginals & masqueraders run away.....


Posted By: Freddy Hopper
Date Posted: 30 December 2014 at 6:51pm
The original JBL 4520 scoops were part of a 2 way system with JBL 2395 acoustic lens.   Now that is a 2 way system that would work well with Horace Andy Vocals. 











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Posted By: app
Date Posted: 30 December 2014 at 8:55pm
Nice amp!





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Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 30 December 2014 at 9:20pm
A thing a beauty man! very nice

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Musical Roots Reggae Vibration is Life! for music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion!...MUSIC IS LIFE...


Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 30 December 2014 at 9:21pm
Sure Downbeat melody owns that now , old tipp a tone valve

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Musical Roots Reggae Vibration is Life! for music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion!...MUSIC IS LIFE...


Posted By: app
Date Posted: 03 February 2015 at 10:59pm
Okay.Not 2way but both of these systems are so beautiful!Thumbs Up






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Posted By: app
Date Posted: 12 February 2015 at 2:08am
My 2way machine. Controls in the mixer are 3way thou but the machine is 2way.




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Posted By: championdrei
Date Posted: 12 February 2015 at 6:41am
On a barracuda preamp, you can link the tops and mids together and have the bass separated if you wanted too or have them all linked or all separate depends on how you want to play.

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Posted By: valve head777
Date Posted: 12 February 2015 at 11:06am
Originally posted by app app wrote:

My 2way machine. Controls in the mixer are 3way thou but the machine is 2way.


nice! how do the bass bins sound?

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Posted By: app
Date Posted: 12 February 2015 at 12:39pm
They sounded smooth and round,really pleasant round bass. Maybe just not enough for the space they were played at but a couple more of those and there would be no problem. They are  not moving air like scoops but the sound is also definetly different from scoops.I liked the sound of em.


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Posted By: app
Date Posted: 12 February 2015 at 12:58pm
Heres a short clip from last night. Gives some sort of idea of how it sounded.






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Posted By: dj jammin
Date Posted: 12 February 2015 at 5:41pm
Nice set up App, stack and control tower both looking good, does sound really nice in the video too..

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Posted By: app
Date Posted: 12 March 2015 at 1:54am


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Posted By: app
Date Posted: 12 March 2015 at 2:05am
another1 from tonight.






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Posted By: Gee136
Date Posted: 13 March 2015 at 5:39pm
Originally posted by app app wrote:

They are  not moving air like scoops but the sound is also definetly different from scoops.

Yep, they drop REAL bass weight & not air conditioning unit breeze.

Respect............ Big smile


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When Goverment ah play, infidels, ginals & masqueraders run away.....


Posted By: GaryMcGhie
Date Posted: 09 April 2022 at 10:29pm
Soferno B was a Reggae Sound System from Brixton in the early 1970s 7 Days a Week Blues Dance, He also had a record shop in Brixton Arcade, A lot of Reggae Sound System from Brixton owned record shops in London



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