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Topic: The Fibre Glass 12" Mid Horn Thread
Posted By: levyte357-
Subject: The Fibre Glass 12" Mid Horn Thread
Date Posted: 22 November 2014 at 4:35pm
Can't get Porn Horn MK1s easily anymore.

So who's making anything similar, where are similar models available in UK for sale.

Prices & pics, 12" Mid Horn chat only please.

Also interested in any hearing about BOKE MA912 horns.

No need to hijack anyone else's thread now. LOL


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Posted By: bee
Date Posted: 22 November 2014 at 6:46pm
mykeys sp12's
 
my mid horn.
 
im sure there is others...


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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 22 November 2014 at 7:04pm
Originally posted by bee bee wrote:

mykeys sp12's
 
my mid horn.
 
im sure there is others...


This is where you get to put up pics, dimensions, recommended drivers, expected freq resp.

Embarrassed


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Posted By: DMorison
Date Posted: 22 November 2014 at 8:36pm
Not sure if bee's being modest, or still tinkering, but there's a bit of info   http://forum.speakerplans.com/my-new-12-horn_topic88737_page1.html" rel="nofollow - here


Posted By: Tweeter_Box
Date Posted: 23 November 2014 at 1:32am
Mykey is ur mh122 still available? Jus the glass part excluding and wood?


Posted By: bee
Date Posted: 23 November 2014 at 3:45am
im making a 1" and 2" horns to go with the 12", once this is done ill release more details pricing etc.

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Posted By: Tweeter_Box
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 12:23pm
Mykey?


Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 12:25pm
OK, time to sort out the men from the boyz

what would you expect to pay for such an item?


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Posted By: corell
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 12:27pm
~500€


Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 12:47pm
Tweeterbox?

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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 12:54pm
Interested in 12" mid horns for approx £200 each.

Not looking for Compression horn, I prefer Alu.Embarrassed




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Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 1:00pm
Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Interested in 12" mid horns for approx £200 each.

Not looking for Compression horn, I prefer Alu.Embarrassed


Well expect them to be of low quality and very little glass in them (thin walls)

you get what you pay for. And remember these will last a lifetime

Now please don't bother me anymoreLOL


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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 1:05pm
Originally posted by KidCreole KidCreole wrote:

Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Interested in 12" mid horns for approx £200 each.

Not looking for Compression horn, I prefer Alu.Embarrassed


Well expect them to be of low quality and very little glass in them (thin walls)


What price would you be asking for such beasts?


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Posted By: bee
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 1:26pm
Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Interested in 12" mid horns for approx £200 each.

Not looking for Compression horn, I prefer Alu.Embarrassed


 
good luck, sorry lev, go to you local boat shop and price up the materials, then double it. That's just for your materials.  around 10 to 15 meters of matting, plus resin, gel coat, colour pigment, talc, acetate, cleaning gear, measuring cups etc....
 
There is a reason a production cab (f1, turbo, void) all charge 2k a box..... There to my knowledge is no sub £200 horn with phase bung available. If there was it would be all over the forum...
 
Porn horns were £500 pluss per one from memory...
Limmer horns are around the same, a bit cheaper from memory..


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Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 1:31pm
People have no idea what involved in making a horn out of fiberglass and how fecking toxic the fumes and dust are. Not to mention the hard labor and hours and hours spend to perfect the mold. Which is actually a 95% of the work. Some of my horns took months to make them right. That cost lot more then whatever the material cost is.

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Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 1:59pm
If Lev and tweet were to actually make one they would want £800 for doing it
 
jokers


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Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 2:02pm
Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Originally posted by KidCreole KidCreole wrote:

Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Interested in 12" mid horns for approx £200 each.

Not looking for Compression horn, I prefer Alu.Embarrassed


Well expect them to be of low quality and very little glass in them (thin walls)


What price would you be asking for such beasts?
Not for you Lev. Try alibaba. And good luck

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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 2:55pm
Mykey, there are people making 12" Mid horns for £250-£275, and not bodge jobs either.

Just asked here, to acquire feedback, guess I've got it. LOL


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Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 4:10pm
Yeah but the are not sp12 and these people are copying current designs like a lot of people on here

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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 4:13pm
Originally posted by KidCreole KidCreole wrote:

Yeah but the are not sp12 and these people are copying current designs like a lot of people on here


Is anyone making Turbo 12" Mid Horns !? LOL


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Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 4:15pm
And the more you do it the more people will less respect you . Knew exactly what this thread was set up for and so do other members. It will get to the stage where members won't want to deal with you. Just saying

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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 4:18pm
all the builders should state their prices/pics/specs and ppl can pm them for orders

some still pay for quality


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Posted By: cravings
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 4:28pm
i think really you should just get your cab manufacturing up and running mykey.


Posted By: bass*en*mass
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 6:10pm
business depends on orders i guess, any other than that is wishful thinking and waisting your time and energy ;)

theres no big margins selling such more or less "one offs", its not that theres a market to sell 100s a month either.. ;)

work out for yourselfes where the "perfect balance" for such a business model would be..


Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 6:42pm
Originally posted by Heathrow_B_line Heathrow_B_line wrote:

all the builders should state their prices/pics/specs and ppl can pm them for orders



This was what the thread was originally about.

Instead of the silly 99x people PM'ing builder for quotes, when everyone here wants to know price, specs, delivery time.
To also stop the thread jack in 21" Mini Thread.

Third page of the thread, not one spec, freq resp or price yet.Confused


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Posted By: bass*en*mass
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 6:54pm
aint that breaking the rules of this forum Lev? Wink

imo theres only 2 builders of 12" phase bunged horns on here, not that hard to work out who..
Limmer is a third option, pricey compared to specs imo though
US chinese clone importer a 4th if you really dont care about specs/sound/quality
5th? have i missed something?

Specs of the first 2 are available if you know where to look, limmer specs are online, US importeurs vague specs and prices also.. no need to stir the fire lev imo

After all theres a few DIY solutions available to cover this passband, if you cant afford the better options just stick to what you have/could afford instead of starting a race to the bottom?!



Posted By: toastyghost
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 6:54pm
Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:


Also interested in any hearing about BOKE MA912 horns.


Wasn't the Boke horn measured and it was found that the phase bung didn't actually do much of anything? It didn't mate with the driver even remotely.


Posted By: bass*en*mass
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 7:00pm
that was long long time ago kyle, some seem to forget too quickly lol
still remember the thread where Rog compared his mt122 to the likes of Boke etc.
measurements ARE still to be found online if one requires ;)


Posted By: cravings
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 7:07pm
that was a good thread alright.

surely any builder offering 12" horns are designing them around one specific driver. and anyone buying 12" premade horns and the specific driver for it.. may as well really aim for buying a whole premade cab that suits them?

the porM horns always looked nice, but didn't really seem in any way DIY to buy them and build boxes for them.. i'm building boxes for some floods now, but i'd never ever delude myself or claim to anyone else that i'd built the speakers at the end of it. my mt121s i do think i can claim to have built however.

i just think, looking at mykey's sp12, and the one bee has been developing, that they'd be better off aiming to sell a complete cab.


Posted By: Shaun
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 7:36pm
Originally posted by cravings cravings wrote:

that was a good thread alright.

surely any builder offering 12" horns are designing them around one specific driver. and anyone buying 12" premade horns and the specific driver for it.. may as well really aim for buying a whole premade cab that suits them?

the porM horns always looked nice, but didn't really seem in any way DIY to buy them and build boxes for them.. i'm building boxes for some floods now, but i'd never ever delude myself or claim to anyone else that i'd built the speakers at the end of it. my mt121s i do think i can claim to have built however.

i just think, looking at mykey's sp12, and the one bee has been developing, that they'd be better off aiming to sell a complete cab.
The problem with the complete cab is people do not want to pay any more than the price of the fibreglass part, and I got a great deal of pleasure making the cabs for my sp12 horns

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Posted By: nickyburnell
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 8:03pm
Just a thought or two

http://www.bluearan.co.uk/index.php?id=RCFMR8N301_KIT1&browsemode=manufacture

http://www.bluearan.co.uk/index.php?id=RCFMR10N301_KIT1&browsemode=manufacturer



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Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 8:04pm
Originally posted by bass*en*mass bass*en*mass wrote:

aint that breaking the rules of this forum Lev? Wink

imo theres only 2 builders of 12" phase bunged horns on here, not that hard to work out who..
Limmer is a third option, pricey compared to specs imo though
US chinese clone importer a 4th if you really dont care about specs/sound/quality
5th? have i missed something?

Specs of the first 2 are available if you know where to look, limmer specs are online, US importeurs vague specs and prices also.. no need to stir the fire lev imo

After all theres a few DIY solutions available to cover this passband, if you cant afford the better options just stick to what you have/could afford instead of starting a race to the bottom?!

Only one if you want a wider dispersion. Bees horn will have a narrow dispersion looking at the design

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Posted By: all bass
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 8:14pm
Originally posted by nickyburnell nickyburnell wrote:

Just a thought or two

http://www.bluearan.co.uk/index.php?id=RCFMR8N301_KIT1&browsemode=manufacture

http://www.bluearan.co.uk/index.php?id=RCFMR10N301_KIT1&browsemode=manufacturer



Those are very short horns Nicky. They need to be crossed quite high.

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Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 8:39pm
Originally posted by nickyburnell nickyburnell wrote:

Just a thought or two

http://www.bluearan.co.uk/index.php?id=RCFMR8N301_KIT1&browsemode=manufacture

http://www.bluearan.co.uk/index.php?id=RCFMR10N301_KIT1&browsemode=manufacturer

They are injection moulded abs plastic. Cost pennies to make and are made in an instant

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Posted By: bee
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 8:54pm
correct mykey, mine is not as narrow as the mt121, but not as wide as your sp12's.
 
@cravings, correct to build finished cab, or to sell as a kit....
 
@ lev plots of my horn and mykeys sp12's are all ready on sp, also limmer plots are on web too...
 
with the amount of time I have spent, and im sure mykey did too on design and prototyping, cost reflects this. each prototype needed a new mould, each mould took weeks to get perfect. Ive built 7 prototypes to get to were I am now, over 3 to 4 years. Cost wise each horn was only about £80 plus bung and back bowl £40, hours put in to r&d 1000 plus. cost of each mould £300 may be a bit more.
 
This is just the cost of 1 project, let alone the other 15 I have on the go, and a few more I binned due to not getting the results I wanted.
 
From a diy point of view 99% of diy members would not pay out or spend the time on sush projects.
 
On a business point of view the aim is to have a finished product that will sell and make a return. To get a return on my investment I would need to sell a few hundred to break even.
 
Do you no who many porn horns were sold...... Ive been told less than 100.... That amount would not of even seen a break even on the product....
 


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Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 8:54pm
That is true Mykey, but the tool to make them cost a fortune.

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Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 9:19pm
Tooling in Asia is about 1/10 of the western prices. Plus the tool was made many years ago so the have their money back a long time ago

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Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 10:39pm
It does not mater in this case. Those are very short and wide dispersion horns.

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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 10:40pm
Originally posted by nickyburnell nickyburnell wrote:

Just a thought or two

http://www.bluearan.co.uk/index.php?id=RCFMR8N301_KIT1&browsemode=manufacture

http://www.bluearan.co.uk/index.php?id=RCFMR10N301_KIT1&browsemode=manufacturer



I'm looking strictly for 12" horn Nicky.

But other point of this thread, is to discuss everything on the table.
Then people can choose based on budget.

These are what I've seen in US.










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Posted By: djeddie
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 10:44pm
But are they the TSG (?) Audio horns? If they are, they've never replied to any question I've put to them regarding their frequency response and dispersion claims. I've sent about six via eBay and not once have had a proper reply, just a vebatim copy of what the eBay page says!


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Posted By: bee
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 10:46pm
your second and 3rd pic has a wider dispersion than mine, only going by pic, defo looks wider.
pic 1 looks a bit like the dnb coaxial horn...
 
pic 4 ive seen this design somewhere... could be limmer not sure. very very narrow dispersion.


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Posted By: djeddie
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 10:50pm
Here you go Bee. The http://www.ebay.com/sch/tsgaudio/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=" rel="nofollow - link to their eBay page .


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Posted By: bass*en*mass
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 10:55pm
Lev, go for the ones you have shown on here... ;)
These are around for years, if they would be as good as it seems the forums would be all over them.. are they? No!.. figure out why not lol



Posted By: bass*en*mass
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 10:59pm


LOL

splitted personality? Right cure for his decease maybe?


Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 10:59pm
Originally posted by bass*en*mass bass*en*mass wrote:

Lev, go for the ones you have shown on here... ;)
These are around for years, if they would be as good as it seems the forums would be all over them.. are they? No!.. figure out why not lol



I would only buy what I've heard.

Have heard some of Mykey's early work, Porn Horn MK1s, Turbo/Martin, BOKE, EAW.

To be honest if this Fibre glass lark turns out to be an expensive headache, would just get modified set of MT121 built.





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Posted By: bass*en*mass
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 11:08pm
thats what i tried to say previously Lev, if the prices asked for proper phase plugged horns are above your budget best to stay within budget and try to make the best of what you got for the time beeing?

imo theres a huge difference between the two so quite hard to compare on any level..





Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 11:18pm
Originally posted by bass*en*mass bass*en*mass wrote:

thats what i tried to say previously Lev, if the prices asked for proper phase plugged horns are above your budget best to stay within budget and try to make the best of what you got for the time beeing?

imo theres a huge difference between the two so quite hard to compare on any level..


I think the copiers are making more money than the designers, so their prices are cheaper.

Not fair for the designers, but most punters will go for value for money.


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Posted By: bass*en*mass
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 11:25pm
dont understand the logic..
they are making more money so they are cheaper?
- they are cheaper hence get more sales?

value for money has nothing to do with the price itself, cheap tat stays cheap tat, no matter how cheap it is..! A coaxial horn for less than 150quid will most definately have not a lot of qualities other than beeing cheap... same goes for most of "his products".. not really worth the money imo

but yeah, horses for courses :)


Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 11:32pm
Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Originally posted by bass*en*mass bass*en*mass wrote:

thats what i tried to say previously Lev, if the prices asked for proper phase plugged horns are above your budget best to stay within budget and try to make the best of what you got for the time beeing?

imo theres a huge difference between the two so quite hard to compare on any level..


I think the copiers are making more money than the designers, so their prices are cheaper.

Not fair for the designers, but most punters will go for value for money.
No, they won't be making any money. I knew a guy that made fibre hifi stands for a year. End of the year the accountant told him he hadn't made any money


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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 24 November 2014 at 11:44pm
Originally posted by bass*en*mass bass*en*mass wrote:

dont understand the logic..
they are making more money so they are cheaper?
- they are cheaper hence get more sales?

value for money has nothing to do with the price itself, cheap tat stays cheap tat, no matter how cheap it is..! A coaxial horn for less than 150quid will most definately have not a lot of qualities other than beeing cheap... same goes for most of "his products".. not really worth the money imo

but yeah, horses for courses :)


I'm not talking about the "cheap tat", you see on the bay. LOLWink


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Posted By: bass*en*mass
Date Posted: 25 November 2014 at 12:04am
please elaborate.. ?!

No need to be so secretive, on the one hand you ask for all to put their prices and specs up, on the other you wont tell your findings Wink LOL



Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 25 November 2014 at 4:01pm
which drivers do you guys spec for your horns?  can you use a range of drivers or is the plug spec'ed for one particular driver?

please try and keep the drivers within everyones budget.  £150 or less would be ideal



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Posted By: Tweeter_Box
Date Posted: 25 November 2014 at 4:26pm
Originally posted by KidCreole KidCreole wrote:

OK, time to sort out the men from the boyz

what would you expect to pay for such an item?


id be offering approx 150-200 per mould (depending on specs and compatibilty), this wouldnt be a one of order but more of a trade price for the 2way mid/tops that i regularly build and sell

BUT from what i can see, it doesnt seem like you want to sell any Confused or just not interested & alot of negativity, ive no idea what the cost would be to make them so feel free to enlighten me, but my offer is based on whats available that look similar here in the UK, Europe and USA


Posted By: Tweeter_Box
Date Posted: 25 November 2014 at 4:43pm
Originally posted by bass*en*mass bass*en*mass wrote:



value for money has nothing to do with the price itself, cheap tat stays cheap tat, no matter how cheap it is..! A coaxial horn for less than 150quid will most definately have not a lot of qualities other than beeing cheap... same goes for most of "his products".. not really worth the money imo

but yeah, horses for courses :)


value for money has everything to do with it for the guys buying, especially the guys who dont drive bentlys

lets look at it another way, a cheapo company makes the horns for £50 and sells 6000 of them per year, mr im too good to respond to you makes them for £500 ans sells 1 per year, whos winning ...?


Posted By: bass*en*mass
Date Posted: 25 November 2014 at 5:00pm
Same goes for you tweet, please upload a list of available 12" phase bunged horns on here incl. prices! I dont know of many available.. ;)

- type of horn+pic
- materials used
- specs, at least a graph on axis
- price incl. delivery
- discounts for trade volumes

Curious to see realistic "contenders"!



Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 25 November 2014 at 5:04pm
Yes please list which horn you can get for 150 pounds. 

Your comment on your cheapo company selling 6000 horns for 50 pounds. Who is selling horns for 50 pounds? Can i get 24 please asap.


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Posted By: bass*en*mass
Date Posted: 25 November 2014 at 5:15pm
For example:
limmer 308 - 490€ brut
(boxed and loaded 2300€ brut)
limmer 312 - 325€ brut

both only play 180ish Hz up so quite harder to find a kick bin suitable without honking imo



Posted By: bass*en*mass
Date Posted: 25 November 2014 at 5:33pm
TSG horns:
120-160€ + 50€ shipping each + import duty (upto 17%?) + VAT 20% incl. shipping costs afaik
specs to be taken with a pinch of salt, quality does seem to be nowhere near the limmers imo



Posted By: Tweeter_Box
Date Posted: 25 November 2014 at 5:34pm
Originally posted by bass*en*mass bass*en*mass wrote:

Same goes for you tweet, please upload a list of available 12" phase bunged horns on here incl. prices! I dont know of many available.. ;)

- type of horn+pic
- materials used
- specs, at least a graph on axis
- price incl. delivery
- discounts for trade volumes

Curious to see realistic "contenders"!



Www.google.com. ;)


Posted By: bass*en*mass
Date Posted: 25 November 2014 at 5:43pm
Thumbs Up

yeah sure tweet.. ;)




Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 25 November 2014 at 5:44pm
I don't know of any fibre glass horn sellers who have published plots for their horns, with a range of drivers, or specific drivers.

There was a dude on here while ago, who was selling mid horns "similar" to Turbo 12s, don't know where he's gone.

Is pretty simple really, if the 12" Fibre Glass horns are too expensive, people will buy traditional cabs, or get Turbo/FK1/EAW copies.


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Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 25 November 2014 at 5:58pm
I don't think you understand what we are trying to say. Lets say I did want proper money, like I'm a brand seller. I would now want 11,000 per piece. At my price I'm covering labour and materials, not even rent included. Guys that are breaking the law by copying, are earning the same. Please respect us as designer/builders. We are already giving great deals.

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Posted By: bass*en*mass
Date Posted: 25 November 2014 at 5:59pm
No polar plots of axis, thats true and a shame, graph on axis is available, dedicated drivers aswell but wait, these are too expensive for you arent they? Please stick to truth and honesty!

You mean the russian guy promoting his copies of almost anything few years back? :)
Excellent skills, questionable ethics, not able to export, have asked him in russian previously...

If these horns are too expensive for you or your customers - yes, get over it and get happy with what you can achieve within budget, stealing a next mans work by blatantly copying it still remains very questionable imo.
Specially in the so called roots scene who should know better than that ;)
(which is what upsets me the most tbh)



Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 25 November 2014 at 6:01pm
He was copying Outline. And we all know how they sound😉

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Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 25 November 2014 at 6:03pm
mykey what drivers do you advise for the sp12?


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Posted By: Tweeter_Box
Date Posted: 25 November 2014 at 6:17pm
Originally posted by bass*en*mass bass*en*mass wrote:


Thumbs Up

yeah sure tweet.. ;)




Ur havin a laugh if u think im doin ur homework for u, jus coz ur knowledge only extends to limmer aint my problem!


Posted By: Tweeter_Box
Date Posted: 25 November 2014 at 6:19pm
Originally posted by KidCreole KidCreole wrote:


I don't think you understand what we are trying to say. Lets say I did want proper money, like I'm a brand seller. I would now want 11,000 per piece. At my price I'm covering labour and materials, not even rent included. Guys that are breaking the law by copying, are earning the same. Please respect us as designer/builders. We are already giving great deals.


Totally understand where your comin from Mykey, i assumed they were pretty cheap to make coz of wat ive seen em sell at, maybe try communicate a lil better in future, keep up the good work


Posted By: corell
Date Posted: 25 November 2014 at 6:34pm
ok mikey, im still interested, pn me or send email with a rough price guess on the MH122 please.



Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 25 November 2014 at 6:43pm
Originally posted by Tweeter_Box Tweeter_Box wrote:

Originally posted by KidCreole KidCreole wrote:

OK, time to sort out the men from the boyz

what would you expect to pay for such an item?


id be offering approx 150-200 per mould (depending on specs and compatibilty), this wouldnt be a one of order but more of a trade price for the 2way mid/tops that i regularly build and sell

BUT from what i can see, it doesn't seem like you want to sell any Confused or just not interested & alot of negativity, I've no idea what the cost would be to make them so feel free to enlighten me, but my offer is based on whats available that look similar here in the UK, Europe and USA
You don't have any morel's. Cnc cut from current designs is illegal. Same goes to anyone that buys your clones. Did you actually think I would have actually sold to you? You're having a bubble bath. Don't give up your day job. Stacking shelves by night and cloning current designs by day. Illegal is what that is

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Posted By: bass*en*mass
Date Posted: 25 November 2014 at 7:08pm
tweet, you too funny..
You really think i am interested in your el cheapo copycat business and even consider "doing my homework" searching for suppliers of cheap tat?

I was just asking, same way i asked Lev, if you chat about other products beeing soo much superior and cheaper - go on, tell us what product it is you are doing your apple/banana comparisons with ;)
If you cant provide any further information, why start with all this chat at all?
Doesnt help anyone except maybe your ego?!

Full stop and back on track now :)

Ben, Mikey, others, please show off your work with some specs and recommended drivers to stop the same questions comming up again and again?





Posted By: Tweeter_Box
Date Posted: 25 November 2014 at 7:55pm
Originally posted by KidCreole KidCreole wrote:

Originally posted by Tweeter_Box Tweeter_Box wrote:

Originally posted by KidCreole KidCreole wrote:

OK, time to sort out the men from the boyz

what would you expect to pay for such an item?


id be offering approx 150-200 per mould (depending on specs and compatibilty), this wouldnt be a one of order but more of a trade price for the 2way mid/tops that i regularly build and sell

BUT from what i can see, it doesn't seem like you want to sell any Confused or just not interested & alot of negativity, I've no idea what the cost would be to make them so feel free to enlighten me, but my offer is based on whats available that look similar here in the UK, Europe and USA

You don't have any morel's. Cnc cut from current designs is illegal. Same goes to anyone that buys your clones. Did you actually think I would have actually sold to you? You're having a bubble bath. Don't give up your day job. Stacking shelves by night and cloning current designs by day. Illegal is what that is



Which designs is that then? please enlighten us

From the sounds of it ur not selling to anyone, n im not surprised with ur negative attitude


Posted By: Tweeter_Box
Date Posted: 25 November 2014 at 8:04pm
Originally posted by bass*en*mass bass*en*mass wrote:



Ben, Mikey, others, please show off your work with some specs and recommended drivers to stop the same questions comming up again and again?




maybe prices aswell Embarrassed


Posted By: bass*en*mass
Date Posted: 25 November 2014 at 9:06pm
prices posted on here from members might well breach the forum policy, why constantly asking for them? Easy to find out prices for yourself, no need to be stated online imo!

Its a shame this thread went along like this, hope it gets back to its initial intention asap :)
(sharing info and discussing options that is imo)


Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 25 November 2014 at 9:59pm
Originally posted by Tweeter_Box Tweeter_Box wrote:

Originally posted by bass*en*mass bass*en*mass wrote:



Ben, Mikey, others, please show off your work with some specs and recommended drivers to stop the same questions comming up again and again?




maybe prices aswell Embarrassed
Members know my prices. Some you deal with some you don't

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Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 25 November 2014 at 10:06pm
What's the price of Heinz. Beans tweet, and what shelf are they on?
 
 


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Posted By: Tweeter_Box
Date Posted: 25 November 2014 at 10:10pm
Originally posted by KidCreole KidCreole wrote:


What's the price of Heinz. Beans tweet, and what shelf are they on?
 
 


Wouldnt know

Whens next giro due?

Ill get my coat


Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 25 November 2014 at 10:23pm
Tesco's shelf stacker by night and lock up garage by dayWink

you better get down to spec savers as i've been told the copies you are turning out must have been finished in the dark

get yourself some roller blades, you can stack quicker and put more ours into copying


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Posted By: Tweeter_Box
Date Posted: 25 November 2014 at 10:39pm
Originally posted by KidCreole KidCreole wrote:

Tesco's shelf stacker by night and lock up garage by dayWink

you better get down to spec savers as i've been told the copies you are turning out must have been finished in the dark

get yourself some roller blades, you can stack quicker and put more ours into copying


Not that i stack shelfs but if i did id rather do that then wait for ur fortnightly handouts

Ill get my coat


Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 25 November 2014 at 10:47pm
I make more money in 1 hour than what you can make on your evenings stacking Tesco shelves

Not sure about your counter fit goods earnings though. Bet you're making a tonne of money on that


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Mykey Wattco


Posted By: all bass
Date Posted: 25 November 2014 at 11:16pm
You kids play nice now or i will have to call your mothers...

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Posted By: Tweeter_Box
Date Posted: 25 November 2014 at 11:16pm
Originally posted by KidCreole KidCreole wrote:

I make more money in 1 hour than what you can make on your evenings stacking Tesco shelves

Not sure about your counter fit goods earnings though. Bet you're making a tonne of money on that


yep course you do

others dont believe you but i do Thumbs Up


Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 26 November 2014 at 12:01am
You must think I only do sound LOL no i'm not that stupid


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Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 26 November 2014 at 12:08am
Woooow, this became worst then my scoop is better then your scoop debate. Cool down boys.

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Posted By: bass*en*mass
Date Posted: 26 November 2014 at 12:11am
cool as ice ;)

hope the other boys get over it asap..!


Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 26 November 2014 at 1:03am
I'm cool

still like to see a picture of a £150 horn?


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Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 26 November 2014 at 2:44am
Me too, that 50 pound one also.

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MM-Acoustics
www.mm-acoustics.com
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Posted By: bee
Date Posted: 26 November 2014 at 8:28am
This Is were this forum gets silly. For any one reading this, eating popcorn, please Google fiberglass materials. Your see straight away the cost of it, and what quality you may get on a 50 150 £200 horn. And how thin it would be.

It's a shame people constantly try to ruin threads on hear.



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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 26 November 2014 at 9:31am
Ok,here we go again....Lev asked a sensible question,now its all gone tits-up as usual.



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