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Topic: line array shoot out

Posted By: KidCreole
Subject: line array shoot out
Date Posted: 02 January 2015 at 7:21am

http://live2playezines.com/spl14/shootout-notes-from-an-anonymous-source.html" rel="nofollow - http://live2playezines.com/spl14/shootout-notes-from-an-anonymous-source.html

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Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 02 January 2015 at 8:14am

''Check out SoundProLive coverage of the shoot out at the speaker corral - here is our favorite quote:"In all here are the rankings.
#1 VUE
#2 OUTLINE
#3 DAS
#4 RCF
#5 NEXO"
http://live2playezines.com/spl14/shootout-notes-from-an-anonymous-source.html" rel="nofollow - http://live2playezines.com/…/shootout-notes-from-an-anonymo…
Shootout Notes from an Anonymous Source
OK, this guy would like to keep his job, so, no names allowed attached to his shootout notes. Bet you know him, though...''

could be someone from the other brands. At least he's honest

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Mykey Wattco

Posted By: Earplug
Date Posted: 02 January 2015 at 9:57am

Interesting read. I was surprised to see a DAS array on there. I do like some of their stuff, but not the Aero 8.

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Earplugs Are For Wimps!

Posted By: norty303
Date Posted: 02 January 2015 at 5:24pm

Posted for ease of reference

Be it known that this source does not work for a loudspeaker manufacturer and has no allegiance or interest to say anything good, bad, or indifferent about any of the participants at the HAS Productions shootout.

The good news about PA’s nowadays is that none of them suck (outside the far east copies you see at tradeshows in the “cheap bastard” section). Every PA system represented here would be good to work on and can make a show sound very good. Some PA’s just have that “wow” factor and in the list below, there were two that had it for me.

Here we go…by vendor

RCF – This PA always sounds legit. I have heard it several times and am always impressed with what comes out of the box. People that own it tend to act like smaller city folks defending their corner of the globe; just like when I met someone from Madison Wisconsin, the first thing out of their mouth was “we have more arts per capita than New York City”…. like I give a shit. I was going to say “great town Madison, have never drank as much beer in my life as I did there” but had to take the brunt force of why its such a great place to live. RCF owners give off this same type of vibe. PA sounds very good but they are always defending it before I can even say “nice sounding rig”. In all, a good sounding PA and would be just fine turning up to a gig with it hanging.

Nexo – I had heard so much about his PA from some friends who were out on a major country tour that rhymes with Chenny Kesney. I was able to hear the PA on a smaller scale prior to this shootout and was stunned how big and bold it was. At the HAS shootout however, I was not impressed. I am not sure if it was the tuning, or the fact that while everyone else utilized the warm sound of the Midas Pro 6 to drive their PA, Nexo drove their tracks from behind the stack. I can only assume that the Yamaha relationship made them shy away from using the Midas. What I heard was mismatched input levels, some audible distortion (from the tracks, not the PA) ho hum, and off to sleep. This was not the PA I had heard a few months earlier on a much smaller scale that rocked my world. While I know this PA can sound much better, at this shootout, last place…ding

Outline – Here was the first wow factor. This rig sounded great. It had meat, it had balls, and it had punch. I have heard Outline at several events in the last few years always walked away with happy ears. Consistent and big, this PA could tear through just about any gig (metal or jazz). First time I had been able to hear it next to other PA systems and only one outshined it, but not my much. The Outline rig kicks ass period.

Vue – Well…this was the winner. I had heard some other demos of Vue before and always thought it sounded very good. But when you get to hear it next to others, you get to hear just how good it really is. This rig had full bandwidth, power, punch, bigness, and a lot of other adjectives that are synonymous with ass kicking awesomeness. Did I mention the coverage was amazing? I knew it was good, I just didn’t realize how good. When it fired up I had the holy shit factor and that is what I want in a rig. Now on my list of must haves after what I heard. Well done Vue.

DAS – These guys are like the underdogs of the PA world. They make really good sounding stuff and a very good price. If I had to rank it, it would be #3 of what I heard. Sometimes we listen with our eyes way too much. There was an instance where the PA playing was not announced and it was assumed to be something other than DAS. When we found out is was the DAS rig, the word dammmmmmmnnn was used over an over again. Surprised ears gave it a closer listen. All who heard it said, “that rig sounds really good”. Great sounding stuff at a great price…what a concept. I have to say, I would use it anytime.

In all here are the rankings.

#1 VUE

#2 OUTLINE

#3 DAS

#4 RCF

#5 NEXO

In summary….

When I was a very young lad and I heard my first Peavey box and I was blown away (until I heard it next to some EV box). That said, it is not until you hear side-by-side comparisons that you understand and hear what strengths or weaknesses a system has. Thanks to HAS Productions for putting this on. I can’t wait for the next one.

PS: Speaker dudes…. get some new demo music. Amaze us with some new finds that showcase YOUR system. Jennifer Warnes, Steely Dan, and the Eagles are what the aforementioned copycats of your products are using to try and make their systems sound decent. Don’t be that freaking guy ☺

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Posted By: MarjanM
Date Posted: 02 January 2015 at 5:36pm

I am not sure how honest all this actually is. All part of the VUE marketing effort i am afraid. But you have to give them the credit where it is due :-)

There is another shootout where Flash array was involved that turned out with quite different results. Please read other peoples notes about the event in question.

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Marjan Milosevic
MM-Acoustics
www.mm-acoustics.com
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Posted By: discosucks
Date Posted: 02 January 2015 at 6:19pm

Outlines new subs are pretty decent , I heard 6 of the double 18's with some of the older butterflies during the summer and they were really hoofing it out .

sounded really good .

Posted By: kevinmcdonough
Date Posted: 03 January 2015 at 4:51pm

hey

and no martin, L'acoustics, d&b or Meyer there, all second (or third) tear brands.

k

Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 03 January 2015 at 5:47pm

Outline was and probably still is installed in the Royal Albert Hall

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Mykey Wattco

Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 03 January 2015 at 5:48pm

........I see marketing works on quite a few people

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Mykey Wattco

Posted By: dylan-penguinmedia
Date Posted: 03 January 2015 at 6:06pm

KidCreole wrote:

Outline was and probably still is installed in the Royal Albert Hall

It's EM Acoustics Halo now...

Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 03 January 2015 at 6:09pm

really? that's incredible. was it a shoot out for the job or back handers?

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Mykey Wattco

Posted By: dylan-penguinmedia
Date Posted: 03 January 2015 at 6:14pm

According to the press releases IIRC, some auditioning along with a competitive tender.

Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 03 January 2015 at 6:15pm

Hats off to the guys

http://www.emacoustics.co.uk/2013/10/halo-compact/londons-royal-albert-hall-takes-halo-compact" rel="nofollow - http://www.emacoustics.co.uk/2013/10/halo-compact/londons-royal-albert-hall-takes-halo-compact

http://www.emacoustics.co.uk/halo-compact/components" rel="nofollow - http://www.emacoustics.co.uk/halo-compact/components

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Mykey Wattco

Posted By: dylan-penguinmedia
Date Posted: 03 January 2015 at 6:18pm

Was just going to copy that in...

Full L&Si write up here:

http://www.emacoustics.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/LSi_Nov2013_RAH.pdf

Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 03 January 2015 at 6:18pm

dylan-penguinmedia wrote:

According to the press releases IIRC, some auditioning along with a competitive tender.

Does anyone know who?

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Mykey Wattco

Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 03 January 2015 at 6:19pm

been over to Westfields a lot lately (walking distance for me) and they have a lot of EM installed there

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Mykey Wattco

Posted By: dylan-penguinmedia
Date Posted: 03 January 2015 at 6:21pm

Sound by Design were the installer / dealer for RAH - wouldn't surprise me if they'd done Westfield too.
Nice job...

Posted By: dylan-penguinmedia
Date Posted: 03 January 2015 at 6:35pm

Actually it's more likely Marquee would have done Westfield, more in line with their install M.O, and they're also EM dealers.

Posted By: KidCreole
Date Posted: 03 January 2015 at 6:37pm

http://www.emacoustics.co.uk/2012/02/product-installation/westfield-crowned-with-second-halo" rel="nofollow - http://www.emacoustics.co.uk/2012/02/product-installation/westfield-crowned-with-second-halo

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Mykey Wattco

Posted By: AvLee
Date Posted: 03 January 2015 at 6:43pm

dylan-penguinmedia wrote:

Actually it's more likely Marquee would have done Westfield, more in line with their install M.O, and they're also EM dealers.

This is correct! (Although via they're sister company HD Pro Audio)

Posted By: dylan-penguinmedia
Date Posted: 03 January 2015 at 6:43pm

Did you get involved with that one Lee?

Posted By: AvLee
Date Posted: 03 January 2015 at 6:49pm

I got involved with the original "white" L'acoutics installs but I think the EM stuff came later.

Posted By: kevinmcdonough
Date Posted: 03 January 2015 at 7:16pm

The outline stuff is VERY good though has to be said, we looked at the slightly smaller version of the new GTO one, 12c or whatever it's called, and we're very impressed. Sounded great and the UK dealer was going to do us a VERY good deal. However talking to some clients rider issues swung it, and we had to go with d&b V series.

K

Posted By: csg
Date Posted: 03 January 2015 at 8:09pm

changing the subject ( wow, that must be a first on here...), how are you finding the V system? ive heard it several times now ( from different suppliers, with different engineers) in anger, and im far from impressed so far...

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Posted By: kevinmcdonough
Date Posted: 03 January 2015 at 9:53pm

Seems to be doing well for us. I've only used it a couple of times; its usually out on the road and with another day job I'm only on local shows.

But yeah has sounded fine for us whenever I've been out with it. Not blown away, but makes money and rider friendly, people like it. I'd personally have taken MLA compact (which we looked like and spoke to martin about), but the company couldn't justify the extra £££ and I'm just a freelancer for that company, not my decision Smile

.

k

Posted By: norty303
Date Posted: 04 January 2015 at 3:32pm

I'm off to a London venue again at the weekend with one of the smaller Outline arrays in, and it is one of my favourite still. Considering they've only got 4 of the double 18 subs in there its very impressive

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