Gear that substitutes a reggae preamp
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Topic: Gear that substitutes a reggae preamp
Posted By: Rudeboy94
Subject: Gear that substitutes a reggae preamp
Date Posted: 13 January 2016 at 7:58pm
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That's exactly what you read in the title: which intrument do I need to replace a reggae preamp for my sound system? We're starting to build it up and we'll start playing without the scoops using reflex for sub in 3 ways, in very small events. We don't have a budget that is bigger enough to buy a reggae preamp like a JTS or any other so we're looking for a cheaper solution. I'm sure that need an active crossover and a mixer but wich features does this mixer need? ------------- Followin' the vibes |
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Posted By: dj jammin
Date Posted: 13 January 2016 at 8:28pm
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App..... ! ------------- Reverence Sound system |
Posted By: tv00
Date Posted: 13 January 2016 at 10:48pm
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Most dsps can be remoted wifi with a router and have most of the same features But you'll have no knobs to get "hands on musicality", so unless you know how to program your own midi-controller you're probably in problems, I've been thinking about this a couple of times. For instance my xilica has plenty of eqs & mute functions, but NO ECHO OR REVERB:-( -No analogue feel to it. Midas / behringer can probably do both mix / xover with the new digital mixers / rackmixers. To be honest I'm not the right one to ask, but I've been thinking about the same and my conclusion was that you'll need a hands-on controller, multieffects & practice:-) ------------- www.facebook.com/babysoundsystem |
Posted By: King Simeon
Date Posted: 13 January 2016 at 11:02pm
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You can still consider a mini pre amp. ------------- https://www.facebook.com/KingSimeonSound?ref=stream https://soundcloud.com/king-simeon |
Posted By: dj jammin
Date Posted: 13 January 2016 at 11:06pm
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To be fair if you want the hands on control and features of a reggae pre, the cheapest option is probs getting a preamp! Unless you have the bits needed for an App style ghetto pre already (ie mixing desk, two crossover units fx etc) ------------- Reverence Sound system |
Posted By: shagnasty
Date Posted: 14 January 2016 at 12:24am
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A BSS soundweb, a panel with some knobs and switches, a help from a good Sound to program it.... A 9088iiS and 9000 will give you 16 external controls, that is a massive amount of control, but the whole thing with a Pre-amp is the bit between the panel and the floor, I consider a pre more like a musical instrument than an LMS, the magic is in the man... |
Posted By: dj jammin
Date Posted: 14 January 2016 at 12:51am
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Wouldn't that lot cost more than the pre?? ------------- Reverence Sound system |
Posted By: dj jammin
Date Posted: 14 January 2016 at 1:07am
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Also I don't think an lms would let you plug in a delay unit or have fx sends? Maybe I'm wrong.. ------------- Reverence Sound system |
Posted By: dj jammin
Date Posted: 14 January 2016 at 1:08am
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Or have mic preamps come to think of it.. or riaa phono preamp.. ------------- Reverence Sound system |
Posted By: shagnasty
Date Posted: 14 January 2016 at 1:48am
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About £300 would give you the 2 BSS units if you shop around, the 9000 is purely to give more Aux controls, if you could put up with a touch screen laptop and 8 control you could bin the 9000, the 9000 is the cheapest thing they do as i am yet to work out why I might use one (I have one, just case the light comes on during the gig and I gain enlightenment..) you then need a panel with some pots, switches and LEDs (£50 max) For Mics, you either need a Mic board or a Radio mic with line in... For Phon, you would need a face off Riaa preamp, but I am seeing more Sound System moving away from Vynl to MiniDisc or CD, you have 8>* with a soundweb, a lot of Pre-amps don't offer 8 inputs let alone 8 outputs.. A Soundweb is load more than a LMS, crap like XTA is an LMS, Soundweb is what ever you can dream it to be... New they cost a mint, if you like the idea and go for it, a Blu will cost more than a pre, but for a quick dabble, I think £350 will give a great insight into how 1) a Pre works and 2) how you want YOUR pre to work, the reason these things have no labels is usually the guy driving it has had it modded out to his exact requirements and as such, it is his machine, no labels required... The DSP option let you use software to build your creative, not try and wrap your creative into someone else vision...
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Posted By: dj jammin
Date Posted: 14 January 2016 at 2:16am
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That's interesting stuff.. I heard BSS soundweb and presumed £££££... ------------- Reverence Sound system |
Posted By: tv00
Date Posted: 14 January 2016 at 2:40am
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[QUOTE=shagnasty]A BSS soundweb, a panel with some knobs and switches, a help from a good Sound to program it.... ...[/QUOTE completely forgot about this thing, what panel? or HOW? -software looks cool:-) xtas are nice though, just not the limiters, ruins all F1 bass / sounds like a bathing ball:-( ------------- www.facebook.com/babysoundsystem |
Posted By: app
Date Posted: 14 January 2016 at 2:47am
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edit. Just understood the first post. Its useful in my opinion to have aux send which can be chosen to be pre or post. Some sort of sweepable eq in the mixer is also good,I have sweepable "mids". ------------- "what!?" |
Posted By: Earplug
Date Posted: 14 January 2016 at 10:21am
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For true 'hands on' experience, you need a small mixing desk, (analogue) crossover and a couple of graphic eq`s, or maybe one graphic and a parametric, eg quick search found this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-EQ-Altec-1905A-Klark-Teknik-5-Band-Parametric-Equalizer-/301844792482" rel="nofollow - http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-EQ-Altec-1905A-Klark-Teknik-5-Band-Parametric-Equalizer-/301844792482 ------------- Earplugs Are For Wimps! |
Posted By: Rudeboy94
Date Posted: 14 January 2016 at 10:48am
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Ok the most important thing that I've understood is that there are so many choices and things to know about this kind of electronic gear, so before making a choice it may be better if I study this stuff a bit more, does anyone have a reading that deals with this? Then I'll be able to consider your suggestions. ------------- Followin' the vibes |
Posted By: Rudeboy94
Date Posted: 14 January 2016 at 10:53am
I saw this machines in various websites like mostec, rdh or jts and they come to a consistent lower price than normal preamps but my plan is to upgrade my rig with 2 scoops and so an addictional way to divide sub and kick, are mini pres able to control also this kind of rigs? ------------- Followin' the vibes |
King Simeon wrote:Posted By: dj jammin
Date Posted: 14 January 2016 at 11:13am
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Preamps big and small are all 2way 3way 4way 5way fixed... you want to plan for however many way your gonna need as you can always mix ouputs if you want less 'ways'.. what a preamp does for you, if you play reggae soundsystem, is very hard to recreate using standard gear.. you could waste a lot of time and money trying things out.. however you might end up wiith something unique and/or better/more flexible than a standard pre.. My advice.. start searching for a pre.. ------------- Reverence Sound system |
Posted By: app
Date Posted: 14 January 2016 at 1:44pm
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I wish there were smallish mixers with parametric or semi parametric eqs on lomids and himids. There just is none,or are there? ------------- "what!?" |
Posted By: studio45
Date Posted: 14 January 2016 at 3:13pm
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I would use an 8-16 channel analogue mixing desk with multiple groups on it, set up as follows: - Music/mic sources, sirens and effects returns plugged into first few channels (eg 1-6) and routed to stereo bus. Overall EQ of sources can be done on the channel EQ's and any compressors/channel strips for mics etc connected to the insert points. -Effects sends are plugged into the aux sends of the desk. -Stereo bus feeds a crossover. -Outputs of crossover (eg a 4 way) are brought back into last few channels of the desk (eg 12-16) and routed *not* to stereo bus but individually to group busses 1-4, which are also *not* routed to stereo. EQ for each box in the system can be done on the channel parametrics, and/or graphic EQ's on the insert points. -Each group output then feeds a limiter, if desired, and then on to the relevant amplifier. So no matter what you do on the faders, the limiter is still the last thing in the chain and can protect your drivers. In this way, any source or an entire band of the system can be fed to your effects units, everything can be EQ'd as you like, and you have a nice set of faders to control your system levels on. Any source that's already band-limited (eg sirens, your reverb/delay return) could be routed directly to the appropriate cabinets, bypassing the crossover. Thusly, you could have a full-range siren or delay tail going on, even while a music band is killed on the faders. Lots of possibilities! ------------- Studio45 - Repairs & Building Commotion Soundsystem -Mobile PA |
Posted By: app
Date Posted: 14 January 2016 at 4:03pm
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Posted By: Earplug
Date Posted: 14 January 2016 at 5:16pm
A&H MixWizard!  ------------- Earplugs Are For Wimps! |
Posted By: Conanski
Date Posted: 15 January 2016 at 12:21am
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Sounds like you need a regular DJ mixer for the RIAA preamps and general signal flow, and then a rack mount 2 or 3 way crossover and a couple EFX processors. Connect it all up and you pretty much got everything that a proper preamp has... no this won't be exactly like a reggae preamp but it's enough flexability and functionality to produce a reasonable imitation to learn on. |
Posted By: shagnasty
Date Posted: 15 January 2016 at 12:57am
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A whole lot of crap here from people that haven't a clue what a Pre is used for and how... A soundweb with a panel, yes.... A F**king MixWizz, stroll on....... |
Posted By: Earplug
Date Posted: 15 January 2016 at 8:45am
Uuuuuuhhhmm - the guy asked about small mixers with parametric mids. What´s the problem? And what´s that in the video he posted? Not exactly a reggae pre. Please look at the context before opening your mouth. ------------- Earplugs Are For Wimps! |
Posted By: THECANDLEMAN
Date Posted: 15 January 2016 at 9:14am
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focusrite mixmaster http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Focusrite-mixmaster-with-digital-output-board-/151943372663?hash=item236087df77:g:YzoAAOSwJkJWj8h~ If you wait they norm come up on ebay for about £250 ------------- Motion Systems - Void Airmotion, Airten & Stasys 218 With Powersoft DSP |
Posted By: dj jammin
Date Posted: 15 January 2016 at 10:13am
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Good luck to anyone trying this out.. your gonna waste so much time and money on it.. most of the above suggestions don't come anywhere near the functionality of a proper reggae pre.. fair play to App, he gets it and has worked out a proper solution.. best listen to App I reckon... ------------- Reverence Sound system |
Posted By: app
Date Posted: 15 January 2016 at 2:01pm
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Only thing im missing from a regular preamp is graphic eq (could be added) and sweeps for upper bass and midhis (a mixer with sweepable lomids and himids would solve this). And in my solution the outputs arent going straight to amp so i need a dsp. I do have more flexibility when dubbing cause Im using a mixer, dubs are made with a mixer after all. I can also adjust the crossoverpoints of low mid and high. All you need to get started is two mixers and a crossover. ------------- "what!?" |
Posted By: Dubshot
Date Posted: 15 January 2016 at 7:04pm
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With all due respect (and this does not directly answer your question) but I think this is important... Focus on the music you play, your 'performance style', your crew and how you wanna run the 'system' as a whole before you go down the path of "what do I need to meet the requirements of a Reggae Sound System" - especially if funds are at a minimum. There are no right ways to do this and the fun (for me and our crew at least) is in making do with what you have to create a vibe, an energy and an atmosphere at an event. You don't need x amount of the right kit to achieve this energy and experience for the people who attend. As an example, King Shiloh (who are relatively successful and based in Amsterdam) run an Allen & Heath DJ mixer. Whether or not you like their sound is a matter of opinion, but it goes to show that you can break 'tradition' and still have lots of fun and get the crowd going! They say that necessity is the mother of creation! Big ups, Ben |
Posted By: wiz247
Date Posted: 15 January 2016 at 11:45pm
Concur
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Posted By: pfly
Date Posted: 16 January 2016 at 7:44am
But with those channel strip & graphic EQs you wouldn't have that +20 to +30 dB boost per EQ that can be found on reggae pre EQs..  |
Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 16 January 2016 at 11:27am
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Why app dont you just get a parametric eq external 19in para on every band than ------------- Musical Roots Reggae Vibration is Life! for music is sound...sound is vibration...vibration is energy... and energy begets life. Therein lies my passion!...MUSIC IS LIFE... |
Posted By: shagnasty
Date Posted: 19 January 2016 at 1:27am
Sorry I didn't notice you come from a country where our definition of legally retarded IQ is above average!!!!! Given my IQ and you lack of it perhaps you should never open your retarded mouth again.... that's based on the fact fact you don't know what a parametric mid is, oh and your pathetic aggression... I'll shut my mouth just after you wind your retarded (red) neck in. x |
Posted By: app
Date Posted: 19 January 2016 at 1:42am
Stop this bs please! Are you on cocaine or something? Are we arguing about if "semi parametric" or "fixed q" eq should have been said? I think earplug understood what I meant anyway... ------------- "what!?" |
Posted By: shagnasty
Date Posted: 19 January 2016 at 1:49am
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Don't do Drugs, I get in enough trouble with booze and caffeine... The guy made a dick comment, i called him. My argument was about his retarded comment, we know the difference between semi and full Para. My comment stands, people from 3rd world countries (in particular that one which is currently cause so much global havoc) need to mind their mouth, it was more an exercise in don't bring a navy seal to an SAS fight...
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Posted By: shagnasty
Date Posted: 19 January 2016 at 1:50am
did that make it better or worst for you?? |
Posted By: RoadRunnersDust
Date Posted: 19 January 2016 at 2:04am
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Jesus Kiddie-having sex Christ... a 'reggae pre-amp' as i've seen it is more a stereo-in X-Over than the mixing desks that up-above have posted. Shagger's idea of using a 9088 is kinda simple. if you can achieve it with discreet components (LIKE THE REAL 'REGGAE PRE AMPS') then it can be achieved with a soundweb with the added bonus of flexibility/resale value. If you NEED it to be analogue then you're about 17 years too late. Biggest issue with the desk solutions is that you have no way of separating the frequency bands of the EQ into your separate drivers like a 'Reggae PreAmp' does. How do you plan to stop your scoops from playing 15kHz with a desk? |
Posted By: shagnasty
Date Posted: 19 January 2016 at 2:41am
TBH I see more mono kit, the whole system becomes a VERY musical instrument at the hands of the crew, a good sound (as in sound guy) will blend a CD to 1 worn out 7" and back with a fluid motion, a Soundweb gives 8in>8out, you can build what ever programs you want (Comps, parametrics, Xovers, mutes, FX punch overs) and pul them to 8 controls, add a touchcreen laptop or iPad to the you 8 input suface can be anything, the 9000 unit go for nothing and add 8 more "control ins" (or you can build a 20 control surface and use RS-232) I look at what Pre's get used for and a Soundweb with a "creative" face and a "tech" LMS to interface the amps ticks so many boxes..... I agree, analogue is dead, to many compromises and no flexibility, people look at Reggae culture as backward, they are So wrong, Reggae stubbornness, brute force innovation and creativity has probably contributed more to current pro audio than can ever be believed, these guys were dropping low and singing sweet before any brand name of PA we use today had built it's first box..... The reason a good sound system can hold it's own is simply the bit between the Pre and the floor, tech wise you can tear many holes, but on the they deliver, every night... Wouldn't wanna hear them mix Van Halen, but would LOVE to hear them play Van Halen!!! |
Posted By: app
Date Posted: 19 January 2016 at 2:56am
As said before there must be a separate signal processor later in the chain. Still its a cheap way to get a thing that works in many ways like a reggae preamp by getting two mixers and a crossover. Trust me, I use one atleast monthy and theres no problems with it and it has cost me a lot less than a "real" reggae preamp. You can also do things with a mixer based pre you cant on a traditional reggae preamp. There are different ways of doing things... edit. And I dont use scoops edit2. Im afraid of digital mixers etc. I like limitations in a way,you sort of need to be more creative with limited resources. My resources (money) is very limited  ------------- "what!?" |
Posted By: pdr
Date Posted: 19 January 2016 at 6:39am
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"Don't bring a Navy Seal to an SAS fight" has to be one of the comments of the year so far.
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Posted By: Earplug
Date Posted: 19 January 2016 at 9:50am
"3rd world country"?? Man - you are on drugs! Or cut back on that coffee and sugar - it´s warping your mind. Look at what my location says. And if you look at my previous post (or actually bother reading any of the posts before piling in), you´ll see that I linked to this: http://www.ebay.es/itm/Vintage-EQ-Altec-1905A-Klark-Teknik-5-Band-Parametric-Equalizer-/301844792482?rmvSB=true" rel="nofollow - http://www.ebay.es/itm/Vintage-EQ-Altec-1905A-Klark-Teknik-5-Band-Parametric-Equalizer-/301844792482?rmvSB=true Is that enough of a parametric for you? Gotta love this forum. ------------- Earplugs Are For Wimps! |
Posted By: jammin75
Date Posted: 19 January 2016 at 9:51am
my scoops got passive crossovers in them ------------- feel the vibes !!! "Who Feels it Knows it" Strong like Lion |
Posted By: shagnasty
Date Posted: 19 January 2016 at 10:52am
My apologies, for some reason I thought your location read United States, my bad... |
Posted By: Earplug
Date Posted: 20 January 2016 at 11:05am
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Ok, no problem. So you don´t like our US cousins then? I´m sure that they´re not all like Trump! ------------- Earplugs Are For Wimps! |
Posted By: shagnasty
Date Posted: 20 January 2016 at 11:55am
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A few tours with them and you realize the reason they are only allowed half mains voltage!!!
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Posted By: darkmatter
Date Posted: 20 January 2016 at 1:38pm
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In my opinion, you either go fully 'new skool' i.e. everything happens inside a computer and you have midi controllers doing the job of a pre-amp. This costs plenty and reliability could be a concern, but it also opens up a world of possibilities. Or you get a proper preamp. The 'in between' options tend to overlook the fact a preamp should be played like an instrument, rather than left in the background as a system controller (LMS style). Anything in between I'd rather forget it altogether and stick to a normal DJ mixer > LMS setup. Just my personal view.
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Posted By: paulus
Date Posted: 20 January 2016 at 2:18pm
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i use a main mixer,then eq then lms, i feed the lms back into mixer and assign the bus outputs for the sub and kick and rest on mid highs, then my source i run threw a small mixer with kills on and effects also so can mute the mid top and leave the bass going and this only effects the source, added bonus is also got 2 separate send and returns , so i use extra Roland echo on this and can add effects on any channel needed, half the price of a pre,much more control and can eq each section,ajust x over points, and fully time align the whole sound ,running it 6 way mono all xlr connections and works very well with no reliability issues over last couple of years ,
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Posted By: app
Date Posted: 20 January 2016 at 8:16pm
A mixer was played like an instrument and it created a thing called dub. So "dissing" mixer based "ghetto pre" as an instrument vs preamp makes no sense ------------- "what!?" |
Posted By: m0gsi
Date Posted: 20 January 2016 at 11:19pm
Rigsmith is making a parametric, filter and kill switch 1U stereo box for use with an LMS. Worth checking out as a budget option. |
Posted By: shagnasty
Date Posted: 21 January 2016 at 1:03am
Doing it inside a PC is near impossible without a face off Waves engine, even the best soundcard solutions (PCI-e or Firewire) offer latency that is not gonna cut it as a Pre, we have all heard the car crash that is Mainstage, you need a dedicated DSp minus the fluff of an OS, a BSS Soundweb would be Rock solid, is cheap second hand and is gig proven, you may also get away with a X32 Rack (cheap 22>14 DSP) and custom OSK layer to a midi panel in the X32 edit stylee, personally I would never use the outs of ANY digital Desk (SSL, Midas (Proper, NOT Behringer) Soundcraft (Vi, not jizz) or Digico, let alone teh other ones (Yes, Avid,Yamaha, Presonus) as an LMS, but if you must, an X32 is the cheapest and most control accessible option, but TBH for a Pre, all a bit too much.... List waht you want it to do, and look at what a Soundweb does.....
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Posted By: Roman
Date Posted: 12 August 2018 at 7:13am
Seen, this is what I want to do with an Allen and Heath Mix Wizard 16 rack mountable mixer. I was thinking the crossover output could come into 4 channels and go directly out the direct outs. The modern Mix Wizards don't seem to have buses. Maybe get a tech to remove the stereo bus assignment buttons from those crossover channels to avoid accidentally causing feedback. Mix Wizards have 2 channels of built in effects which seems handy. Echo etc.
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Posted By: Roman
Date Posted: 12 August 2018 at 7:35am
I plan on using a Mix Wizard. Seems more flexible than a reggae pre amp. Easily incorporate live horns and other instruments. Heaps of inputs (16). Can you explain your aggressive objection?
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Posted By: Roman
Date Posted: 12 August 2018 at 7:38am
Can you be more specific. What would you miss out on with a Mix Wizard, crossover, filters for sweeps. The MW has advantages. Lots of inputs, built in effects, etc.
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Posted By: valve head777
Date Posted: 12 August 2018 at 12:45pm
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Tbh, if you haven't got a pre, and never used one, you don't know what you are missing.... Borrow a pre, become familiar with it, and then recreate it using different outboard gear. Many have. Sometimes experience sorts the boys from the men.... ------------- Freedom of choice, choice of freedom. |
Posted By: dj jammin
Date Posted: 12 August 2018 at 1:10pm
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A mix wizard (from what i understand) is a mixer. A mixer is not a reggae preamp. To get the functionality of a preamp you will need other equipment and some way of wiring it all together. This is where a preamp excels.. it does everything you need in one box without all those wires.. the bit it doesn't do- the effects is ideal really as you can pick and choose and change the effects you want to use. The MW has advantages. Lots of inputs, built in http://i.viglink.com/?key=5c09f99ded5d8bdd5dfa393cd8dfdb9c&insertId=912cb7609f27fb33&type=S&exp=60%3ACI1C55A%3A7&libId=jkqspll301002gs4000DA69geuic9&loc=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.speakerplans.com%2Fgear-that-substitutes-a-reggae-preamp_topic94395_page5.html&v=1&iid=912cb7609f27fb33&out=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fsch%2FConsumer-Electronics-%2F293%2Fi.html%3F_nkw%3Deffects&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.speakerplans.com%2Fgear-that-substitutes-a-reggae-preamp_topic94395.html&title=Gear%20that%20substitutes%20a%20reggae%20preamp%20-%20Speakerplans.com%20Forums%20-%20Page%205&text=%3Cspan%3Eeffects%3C%2Fspan%3E" rel="nofollow - effects , etc. Have you ever tried using the built in effects of any mixer etc for sound system and had good results? I strongly doubt it.. Lots of inputs.. for what? Preamp has all the inputs you need.. if you need more plug a mixing desk into the preamp.. Like Valve said: if you haven't got a pre, and never used one, you don't know what you are missing.... ------------- Reverence Sound system |
Posted By: valve head777
Date Posted: 12 August 2018 at 2:04pm
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Roman posted he produces music, so I assume he has knowledge of mixers, eq and send/returns etc. What should be realized is that the original concept of a pre was born within a studio, then neatly packaged into one handy box. Anyone with this knowledge should be able to reverse engineer a pre and come out with the functionality equaling a pre. App seems to have, as did I back in the day. Big up Reference Sound System.... ------------- Freedom of choice, choice of freedom. |
Posted By: Roman
Date Posted: 12 August 2018 at 10:39pm
I've got sound system associates that could let me experience hands on time with a professional reggae pre amp. Good idea. Maybe I will learn some of the quirks that makes these things so highly spoken of. I can't see too much mystery myself.
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Posted By: Shimad
Date Posted: 07 September 2018 at 11:35am
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At Reggaebus festival in Belgium last week, someone was promoting his software, designed to replace preamp.. |
Posted By: BigSoundNorthWest
Date Posted: 20 September 2019 at 9:07pm
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Yeah, that'll be AmpFreqq!!! Very usable too!!! check it out! https://reggaepreamp.com/products/" rel="nofollow - https://reggaepreamp.com/products/ |
Posted By: JBK
Date Posted: 23 September 2019 at 8:25am
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just saw this thread, most DAW's and modular synth platform can be transformed in a preamp. I've made a "mini" web pre few years ago (could/should expand to an equivalent of ampfreqq if I had the time :) ) http://jbkaudio.fr/index.html?webpre" rel="nofollow - http://jbkaudio.fr/index.html?webpre Somebody has made a similar google chrome plugin (can't find it back now, though). Ampfreqq look great, but I find it a bit expensive for what it is (given that anyone can do the same with any audio modular system...) but eh it's a great and pretty complete solution for people that don't want to take the time to build something up. My dream would be to do a full software pre running on a computer, with a big audio interface for the in/outs and a custom midi controller. Put that in a preamp-looking box (with a small enough PC) and boom! you've killed it (yeah I'm a software dev) Nothing can touch that preamp feel though, with knobs and kill switches :)
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Posted By: BigSoundNorthWest
Date Posted: 05 January 2020 at 4:34pm
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Google "AmpFreqq".... software pre, 85 quid. then run thru a crossover... |
Posted By: service dept Steve
Date Posted: 06 January 2020 at 9:58am
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What if someone made a 1U panel (or the width of a pioneer or A&H) that had 4 or 5 kill switches with level controls and an effects loop that took a stereo output from your generic mixer and then output four or five feeds that could then be fed to the external filter of choice (lms or whatever) wouldn't that be a good starting point? Who would be interested in one of those? ------------- We are not "They", We are "The others" http://www.servicedept.co.uk" rel="nofollow - http://www.servicedept.co.uk - |
Posted By: JBK
Date Posted: 06 January 2020 at 12:41pm
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The thing is, a typical reggae preamp actually has several crossovers, one for the music kills, and one afer that for the rest of the inputs, so that if you kill all but the bass, you don't cut the sirens, mics, echo returns, etc... So Steve, if I understand what you're saying, if you kill everything except the bass on you 1u thing, then the microphone will also be cut So you would want to have musical sources > mixer 1 > preamp thing with kills and fx sends >> | Mixer 2 | fx returns, mics, sirens, etc >> | Mixer 2 | >> LMS With mixer 1 being the typical dj mixer (2xphono and 2xline inputs) and mixer 2 a traditionnal mixer for mics and instruments. You can also use the mixer2 sends for FX instead of putting sends in the preamp box. Preamp box could have only 1 master out with summed signal. You can put a number of eq / filters in the preamp box to work the sound of the musical input without affecting the other inputs (mic, etc) With this setup you can plug the master out of mixer 2 into any system (provided that there an already setup lms for that system) also the crossoer in the preamp box doesn't have to have the same number of ways than the system (for instance a simple weight'n'treble kills, outputing to a 5 way system)
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Posted By: dj jammin
Date Posted: 06 January 2020 at 2:02pm
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Good points made there by JBK... ------------- Reverence Sound system |
Posted By: JBK
Date Posted: 06 January 2020 at 2:46pm
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Thanks dj jammin As far as I know in some (most?) preamps, there is actually 1 crossover for the music, and 1 (or as many as the other inputs) crossover for the inputs, the bands are mixed afterwards, but the crossovers got to be identical. it will be dificult / overkill trying to reproduce this with outboard gear. (If I'm not clear, imagine the music going in a 4 way crossover, and the inputs going in another 4 way crossover with the same topology, you mix the bands afterwards, music bass with inputs bass, music mids with input mids, etc) About the setup mentionned in my previous message, one could argue that having 2 crossover one after the other (one in the "pre" and one in the lms) will mess up the final phase of the signal more than necessary, but this could be reduced by having less bands in the "pre" (to be able to play with the kills and volumes) than the lms (used solely for system setup) it's up to each operator to know the topology of the preamp crossover : I know some like the old school "weight'n'treble" config, but having switched from 4 to 5 way on our pre, I'm glad having more control (not solely to tune the current track but also for "playing") |
Posted By: Sypa
Date Posted: 06 January 2020 at 3:18pm
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I've been trying to figured out what stuff would i like on a "reggae" preamp never put it all on paper.
Best thing for me actually would be a kinda mixer hybrid thingy. 2 channel with rotary pots for music source,mic in 3-4 aux ins for effects with rotary pots for volume (ok everything would be rotary for the aesthetic)those channels would also need eq or atleast hp/lp. 3 way filter with sweepable frequency and band kills ala electrix eq killer,or just one global hp/lp resonant filter a&h xone style. Wouldn't use it as a crossover.somekind of subtle "vintage" distortion circuit at the end . I'm sure I forgot something , if i described anything that's a working all in one product let me know heh.
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