FANE loudspeaker enclosure design and construction
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Topic: FANE loudspeaker enclosure design and construction
Posted By: space141
Subject: FANE loudspeaker enclosure design and construction
Date Posted: 26 March 2016 at 4:19pm
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Hello, Does anyone happen to have a copy of the FANE loudspeaker enclosure design and construction book lurking around on their hard-drive somewhere? Apparently used to be available on this website OzValveAmps but seems like the link isn't working anymore (perhaps they are no longer in business.)  Cheers in advance, Thomas.
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Posted By: csg
Date Posted: 26 March 2016 at 8:53pm
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this is the other page relating to that design. ------------- “The fact is this is about identifying what we do best and finding more ways of doing less of it better” |
Posted By: space141
Date Posted: 27 March 2016 at 4:12pm
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Thank you every so much for uploading that - nice to have an scan from the original manual. Do you know where I might be able to get a copy as I spent a considerable amount of time yesterday looking for something online but didn't have much luck. Thanks again, Thomas.
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Posted By: APW
Date Posted: 27 March 2016 at 5:23pm
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You have mail |
Posted By: Biggus
Date Posted: 30 March 2016 at 8:25pm
| Did you get a copy? I've got a copy in PDF format if that helps |
Posted By: freelanceav
Date Posted: 17 April 2017 at 7:51pm
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Hi guys and gals. My question is somewhat related. We built some Dual 15" FANE bass bins in the mid 90s, with rather good performance and I do not have the plans anymore. I will attempt to upload a photo ... The designs use the 15XB drivers, although the current version of these drivers have been updated. I am not sure if these plans were in the FANE design book, so my question is two-fold: 1. Would someone kindly send me a copy of the book if they have it in PDF form? 2. Does anyone recognise these designs (I'm referring to the bass bins, bot the mids) If anyone recognises these bass bins and havs the plans, I would be grateful if you fould forward a copy.  |
Posted By: jazomir
Date Posted: 19 April 2017 at 10:23am
Link to larger plans here: ere:
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Posted By: APW
Date Posted: 19 April 2017 at 10:54am
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Freelanceav, I also have the old Eminence book (very similar to the fane book) that has a dual 15" ported W bin, dual 15" Bandpass, a dual 15" scoop and a dual 15" BR cab. You need to get your post count up to 10 so I can PM the PDF to you. TBH, by todays standards these are not the best designes and far better self build cabinet are now avaliable. Alan. |
Posted By: freelanceav
Date Posted: 19 April 2017 at 11:30am
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Thank you, Alan. No, they were not W bins, but have the most amazing performance for what they are. I'm going to revive this little project and wanted to give the bins a new face-lift as they seem very dated. We measured 132dB @ 38Hz with these at the time in a chamber and they are only FANE Colossus 15XB drivers. Not the highest SPL for these days, but they do have a very tight response. The designs were 'unofficially' given to me from a FANE contact around 20 years ago, who is no longer with the company. I'm trying to avoid going down the route of reverse-engineering the designs. I had a look in the FANE design book and these designs are not in there. The smaller 2-way cabinets in my photo will also be re-configured to be bi-amplified. I have never been a fan of passive crossovers. I'm also fitting new fly gear and replacing all the hardware with better quality and more aesthetically pleasing items on all the units. I would be interested in seeing the Eminence designs if possible, please? Regards, William.
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Posted By: Biggus
Date Posted: 19 April 2017 at 11:46am
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They remind me of a bigger version of the Tannoy T40 - however looking closely there not. I've not seen this design in the fane book - here are the links to the book in PDF format (found online and working for me) http://www.ozvalveamps.org/cabinets/fane-loudspeaker-book-pages-01-11.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://www.ozvalveamps.org/cabinets/fane-loudspeaker-book-pages-01-11.pdf http://www.ozvalveamps.org/cabinets/fane-loudspeaker-book-pages-10-17.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://www.ozvalveamps.org/cabinets/fane-loudspeaker-book-pages-10-17.pdf http://www.ozvalveamps.org/cabinets/fane-loudspeaker-book-pages-18-25.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://www.ozvalveamps.org/cabinets/fane-loudspeaker-book-pages-18-25.pdf http://www.ozvalveamps.org/cabinets/fane-loudspeaker-book-pages-26-33.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://www.ozvalveamps.org/cabinets/fane-loudspeaker-book-pages-26-33.pdf http://www.ozvalveamps.org/cabinets/fane-loudspeaker-book-pages-34-41.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://www.ozvalveamps.org/cabinets/fane-loudspeaker-book-pages-34-41.pdf http://www.ozvalveamps.org/cabinets/fane-loudspeaker-book-pages-42-53end.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://www.ozvalveamps.org/cabinets/fane-loudspeaker-book-pages-42-53end.pdf |
Posted By: freelanceav
Date Posted: 19 April 2017 at 12:31pm
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Thank you, Biggus. I also managed to get hold of the FANE book yesterday and agreed, they're not in there. Like I said, I was given the designs 20 years ago by a contact from FANE, who is no longer with them. I will reach out to FANE and see if they are willing to help and/or have knowledge of these designs. Looks like I may potentially have to reverse-engineer them. Regards, William. |
Posted By: freelanceav
Date Posted: 19 April 2017 at 12:44pm
| Email sent to FANE UK. Will post an update if I receive anything of use. |
Posted By: jazomir
Date Posted: 19 April 2017 at 1:40pm
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I found a copy of the book on my hard disk drive - downloaded in 2008! I have placed it on Sendspace here: https://www.sendspace.com/file/62ezi5" rel="nofollow - https://www.sendspace.com/file/62ezi5 ------------- For sidefills, can we have two enormous things of a type that might be venerated as Gods by the inhabitants of Easter Island, capable of reaching volumes that would make Beelzebub soil his pants. |
Posted By: freelanceav
Date Posted: 19 April 2017 at 4:37pm
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Thank you, Jazomir. The design I'm looking for is not in there. I emailed FANE this morning and will post it here if I receive anything meaningful. regards, William.
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Posted By: space141
Date Posted: 19 April 2017 at 6:40pm
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Hello, Thought I might chip in my part as I keep getting e-mails regarding this thread as I started it. Have you considered that maybe the cabs that you have perhaps were never 'released' as an official cab design and your contact in Fane might just have come up with the design, making a slight alteration to this martin audio design which I have just come across which looks remarkably similar.  http://www.oldbarnaudio.co.uk/martin-audio-aq215/" rel="nofollow - http://www.oldbarnaudio.co.uk/images/aqseries-aq215.jpg This looks remarkably similar although just with the addition of a wooden plate over the centre piece. It is a little hard to tell from the photo you had uploaded initially but it looks like there is a small gap at the top and bottom of this 'plate' that means that the drivers are not covered completely i.e. sealed, so there are the four vents in the corners for the rear 'compression' and then the sound from the front of the drivers is muffled by this 'plate' so that they are still free to move but most of the sound is being created through the resonance in the box... This is all a bit of wild guesswork but B&C also seem to have a very similar 15" cab called the s15an ( http://en.toutlehautparleur.com/media/catalog/product/cache/15/small_image/350x/83c81cb12951c377c40d0aa648fb33fd/k/-/k-s18bn.jpg" rel="nofollow - http://en.toutlehautparleur.com/media/catalog/product/cache/15/small_image/350x/83c81cb12951c377c40d0aa648fb33fd/k/-/k-s18bn.jpg ) which if doubled up and a face plate added would essentially be very similar to what you're looking for..? Always enjoy the excitement of tracking down or figuring out the origin of certain designs. Thomas.
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Posted By: freelanceav
Date Posted: 19 April 2017 at 7:04pm
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Hi Thomas, Thank you for that. Yes, it looks very similar indeed, except that my bins are only vented in the corners and not in the middle as the design you posted. You are correct, the bins I have are not sealed completely. There are in fact vents to the side of each of the face-plates. At the time we built these, we were impressed with their performance and they have been sitting in storage for around 17 years, apart from a little event 3 years ago, that sparked the idea that they really should be heard more often. I'm planning a full hardware revamp ... recessed corners, black custom handles, new speakon plates, etc. Do you have more info / documentation / designs for this speaker?
Regards, William. |
Posted By: APW
Date Posted: 19 April 2017 at 7:15pm
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I've just had another look at the photo and the subs appear to
be a 6th order bandpass design, the front 'Wooden Plate' is in fact
the small chamber and the two slots are the front chamber ports, the 4
triangular ports are for the larger rear chamber.
William, the eminence book I have will need to be scanned in (and my scanner is down at the moment) as it is a physical book and not a PDF. |
Posted By: djeddie
Date Posted: 20 April 2017 at 8:31pm
That's what I thought... at first. I can remember seeing these cabs in the early 90's and I'm sure they where a Wharfedale cab. ------------- Chas n Dave : it's like Drum and Bass but with beards. E=mc² ±3dB |
Biggus wrote:Posted By: freelanceav
Date Posted: 20 April 2017 at 9:25pm
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djeddie, thank you for jogging my memory! You are correct, they are Wharfedale designs and we used the FANE 15XB drivers, since that was what was recommended. The drivers were rated at 600W at the time. The latest versions are rated at 800W, I believe. I thought these designs were given to me by someone at FANE, but looking into it further, it was in fact Wharfedale. The lines around FANE and Wharfedale are somewhat blurred in my view. Is there a connection? I though there is/was, but that was just speculation on my part.
I wonder how I would go about getting the designs from Wharfedale ... |
Posted By: fatfreddiescat
Date Posted: 20 April 2017 at 9:41pm
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Wharfdale and Fane were for a while under the same roof, I saw their prototype system when I took some cabs to the factory for testing, the drivers iirc were 15xb's in their cabs and they are 6th order bandpass. They were sold with an electronic processor which shouldn't be hard to replicate with a dsp. I can't see it taking much effort to measure them up to replicate. |
Posted By: freelanceav
Date Posted: 20 April 2017 at 9:46pm
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No, it would not be hard, but I was hoping to start with a 'fresh' version. Reverse engineering them would be a bit like taking a photo-copy of a photo-copy. I may well end up doing that though. You are correct with regards to the DSP. We have used them with various processors and the results were excellent. |
Posted By: thedjelectron
Date Posted: 29 March 2023 at 3:14pm
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Old thread, I know... I wanted to keep this manual alive. It seems that BB Code isn't working in the forum, so here is the copy/paste link to the Fane Loudspeaker Enclosure Design and Construction pdf. https://www.dropbox.com/s/2uuhjwkbialnj6o/Fane%20Loudspeaker%20Enclosure%20Design%20and%20Construction.pdf?dl=0 We are bringing some EV MTL-4B cabinets back to life with new B&C drivers for one of my projects. I'd love to embed that here as well...  Oh well, here's a link instead: https://www.dropbox.com/s/99ljdc4yvvmlvgn/MTL-4B%20Photo.jpg?dl=0
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Posted By: APC321
Date Posted: 29 March 2023 at 4:57pm
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Thanks for the link to the Fane book. Brings back some memories, as used this book for my first builds many years ago. Lots of good info in there as well. |
Posted By: luton_soundman
Date Posted: 29 March 2023 at 7:51pm
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I bought the fane and eminence books when i was a school boy many moons ago. Wish i still had them ------------- Sound Hire/Sales new/used equipment. |
Posted By: VECTORDJ
Date Posted: 29 March 2023 at 8:10pm
| FANE Book is A+. |
Posted By: Aman Gebru
Date Posted: 30 March 2023 at 2:34pm
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The funny thing with the Fane book, is that the cab with the most output at 50Hz is the 2 x 15" reflex section on the full range modular cab. Has 10dB more output than any of the horns at 50Hz, and plays the lowest out of everything. How times have moved on with everyone using reflex these days lol.
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Posted By: csg
Date Posted: 30 March 2023 at 4:01pm
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Back then, 60-80Hz was more important than 40-50Hz in big rock systems, and thats where a big pile of horns would win, particularly if you only had dc300’s or if you were posh maybe BGW’s to drive the rig But i agree, in today’s world reflex is the way to go. ------------- “The fact is this is about identifying what we do best and finding more ways of doing less of it better” |
Posted By: FOO
Date Posted: 30 March 2023 at 9:02pm
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Well... If I should do a complete low end section today, just for fun and nothing else, it would be 12 TT1000 from Danish Storm Sound. Loaded with the trusty Fane 18B600. 6 each side could eat 1500 people going crazy. Similar to a ES18BPH, but better sounding. They can't match the same amount of drivers in BR when it comes to low end extension, but the amount of energy they produce is just so intense
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Posted By: KDW32
Date Posted: 31 March 2023 at 12:06pm
Yes the same. Angled 2 X 12 was mine. The ozvalveamps website mentioned in the thread (still has the fane book for download) was also a blast from the play, how the websites used to look
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Posted By: fatfreddiescat
Date Posted: 31 March 2023 at 12:26pm
| The system pictured on the front cover was built and went out to the USA as a demo system, it was at back at the factory when I went to visit. Steve Hewlett mentioned he had been asked about producing second book of designs. Sadly nothing came of it. |