What Is The Best Scoop ?
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Topic: What Is The Best Scoop ?
Posted By: CHAMPION
Subject: What Is The Best Scoop ?
Date Posted: 19 April 2007 at 11:28am
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So whats the best 18" scoop out there, regardless of the driver ? Rogs, Stravens, ASS, JBL, Eminance, Fane, ??? ------------- Sticks n Stones |
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Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 19 April 2007 at 12:16pm
You can't say regardless of driver, as Shortman, ASS scoops with 1850 are "currently" untouchable. (Until tested against V18-1200+cab). However put wrong driver in each of those cabs, and they'll be blown away by Superscooper with PD186/V18. However 1850 in Superscooper is not so hot. Also the best design will sound crap with bad sensitivity if not built right. I think question should be, "If each design is loaded with optimum driver, which would provide highest, flattest SPL @ 30-70hz". Which would also be ASS, Shortman +1850, and probably Rogs V18-1200 combo.  EDIT:Unless Mykey's and or Hog scoop says different..  ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
CHAMPION wrote:Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 19 April 2007 at 5:46pm
I thought the super scooper is meant to sound the best loaded with PD1850's followed by the V18's ?
Don't under-estimate ASS or Shortmans scoops loaded with the Wembley B-Line 800 driver.
If you've ever heard Lord Gellys sound system you'll know what I mean.
If you Listen Fable Sound system you'll hear the supers loaded with PD186's, which sound OK, but it ain't all that damaging.
This scoop shoot-out is well needed!!!
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Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 19 April 2007 at 5:49pm
You forget bout the little mans scoop ? You know how dangerous those cabs are ?
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Posted By: COWFOOT
Date Posted: 19 April 2007 at 6:59pm
| That's why I was calling for a Scoop Clash the other day. |
Posted By: COWFOOT
Date Posted: 19 April 2007 at 10:47pm
| Follow Tony A.S.S. non-resonant philosophy.He braces the hell out of a scoop. |
Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 19 April 2007 at 10:49pm
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the one you design is the best Levyte357! be carefull you could get Kewi poisoning although I don't no if Shortman and Tony polish their shoes ------------- ......just all them hanging there like giant bananas. |
Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 19 April 2007 at 11:26pm
I know the truth hurts, Mykey; Hate the game, not the player... Fact of the matter is, Lots of heavy sounds have one of those two cabs with 1850's... End of... Don't really hear that much about Mykey scoops anymore...  ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 20 April 2007 at 12:54am
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sorry it's KIWI drink plenty of water, it will help
you don't hear of mine because the last time i built some was 1999
a relief to some people on here ------------- ......just all them hanging there like giant bananas. |
Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 20 April 2007 at 2:56am
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Mike. It doesn't matter how much I polish my shoes, They always get covered in paint. And by the way, all you scoop lovers, now that we have completed the first batch of RXjnr's, which contain a deep cavity, we are now making the first RX 18 with the same cavity. Watch this space. |
Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 20 April 2007 at 4:50am
Tony what is the difference between the RX18 and the RX9? Someone told me the RX9 was bigger and also had large chamber. Is this true? ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 20 April 2007 at 12:23pm
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Lev. If you mean the RXjnr. It has a chamber that is twice as deep as the RX 18. But it is 18" shorter. I finished painting the jnr's today so I will post pictures on monday before they dissapear. |
Posted By: TRE4U2NV
Date Posted: 22 April 2007 at 2:58am
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tony a.s.s. just heard the story about the bracing from joseph king josiah i can remember what happened but i didn,t know they were a.s.s. boxes then we just used to call them coxsone boxes lol ------------- IM SO SECRETIVE BUT I CANT TELL YOU WHY |
Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 23 April 2007 at 3:20am
| Is the man still about. We spent some time together building up his system and then he seemed to dissapear off the face of the planet. I would like to speak to him again. any ideas?. |
Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 20 September 2007 at 5:27pm
Did you forget Tony ? have the shorter RX Jnr's dissapeared then ?
You had time to pick one up yet ?
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Posted By: ToNy MoNtAnA
Date Posted: 20 September 2007 at 10:12pm
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Now the interesting thing to test would be an ASS RX JNR with a Void V18-1200. Vs Shortman's Mini Scoop with Void V18-1200. And will hear,feel which box + driver combo is king! |
Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 20 September 2007 at 10:35pm
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I'm just building them and selling them. No fuss No big deal, Business as usual. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3" rel="nofollow - http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3 |
Posted By: twinysteve
Date Posted: 19 October 2007 at 3:05pm
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i think mykey and phils old scoops would give people a run for there money ask around ------------- as i said |
Posted By: jsg mashed
Date Posted: 21 October 2007 at 4:01pm
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Show me any scoop and I can make it better by gutting it and building a bandpass into the same cabinet with the same driver. A win every time, no worries. ------------- ...because Good is Dumb. |
Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 21 October 2007 at 5:52pm
And what happens if you try to use it outside or in large venues? Unless you have a huge stack of em, you can't hear em. No, bandpass are not better than scoops, they are for different venues. Outside 4x decent scoops in a stack @ 1k each can be heard far away, try that with 4x single driver bandpass. ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 21 October 2007 at 6:10pm
Think you'll find V18-1200 in Shortman Mini/full scoop performs better than RX18 due to throat design/volume. Don't forget I have 4x,  .The larger chamber alone does'nt guarantee compatibility. However I'm sure there is another driver in the Enlarged RX18, that would give the above combos a run for the money.  ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
Posted By: jsg mashed
Date Posted: 21 October 2007 at 6:59pm
Wrong. ------------- ...because Good is Dumb. |
Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 22 October 2007 at 12:52pm
Reading many of your previous posts, I see you are partial to bandpass cabs, so I will be as diplomatic as possible. I agree many bandpass cabs give nice flat response from approx 30hz to 80hz. However you don't see many outside gigs with piles of "just bandpass" cabs. Far more common are Stacks of Looneys, Labs, Punishers,1850/186 horns, or scoops. I'm sure that tells you something, unless those rig owners are all wrong as well, and should get rid of all those folded horns and use bandpass/X1's instead. ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
Posted By: jsg mashed
Date Posted: 22 October 2007 at 1:17pm
This is due to prejudice, a lack of existing cabinet options, and insufficient knowledge about how to design bandpass cabs.
NOW IT IS TIME TO RECTIFY THIS SITUATION!!!
I will design you a scoop-killing bandpass subwoofer. I will design this cabinet and supply the designs unto you here, in this forum. I will name my creation the MIGHTY DUB PASS.
The MIGHTY DUB PASS will have the exact same outer dimensions as a typical scoop. It will take a single 18 inch driver of a make/model I will specify when I supply the plans here in this forum before you. I will make it possible to convert an existing SCOOP into MIGHTY DUB PASS to ease the passage out of obselecence.
The MIGHTY DUB PASS will be designed for use with mid-bass "kick" bins like HD15, F1 218 etc. It will be optimised for the basslines of REGGAE, DUB, DRUM&BASS and DUB STEP. It will work indoors and out, and in small multiples or large.
MIGHTY DUB PASS will use more advanced bandpass technology than any speaker whose plans are available at this time. Yet it will be simpler to construct than any SCOOP. MIGHTY DUB PASS will be more sensitive, play lower, have better impulse/phase response and lower distortion than any of: SCOOPS HORNS REFLEX.
MIGHTY DUB PASS will shake your beliefs - and all objects near by. MIGHTY DUB PASS will change your perceptions - by blurring your vision and compressing your chest cavity. You will ask "what have I been listening to all along that only now I can hear the bass as it was truly recorded?". Then you will know that MIGHTY DUB PASS is not just the future, but all of time and space.
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Posted By: login4
Date Posted: 22 October 2007 at 2:24pm
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oooo all hail the might Dubpass, lets have a look at her then.... ------------- CELTIC SUBSONIC SOUND SYSTEMS |
Posted By: jsg mashed
Date Posted: 22 October 2007 at 2:44pm
Well, I have to design it first but, er,
MIGHTY DUB PASS will have the look of UNLIMITED DUB BASS POWER and probably the BIGGEST reflex port you've ever seen. But now I've said to much already. Await MIGHTY DUB PASS and all shall be revealed!!!1
------------- ...because Good is Dumb. |
Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 22 October 2007 at 2:47pm
Excellent. If 4x of these single driver cabs in a stackwhen driven with 1k each, sound deeper, have flatter response and higher SPL @ 25, 50 and 100 metres than a)4x 1850 loaded RX18's, b)4x V18-1000 loaded Supers or c)4x Turbomax loaded Shortman scoops When driven with 1k per cab, Inside and outside, I will have no problem accepting it is indeed a scoop killer. When will it be ready ? (Date Now 14:57, 22 october, 2007) Regards. ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
Posted By: jsg mashed
Date Posted: 22 October 2007 at 3:12pm
What you say here will indeed come to pass, and more, when the MIGHTY DUB PASS is tested.
Can't give you a date though - it's ready when it's ready. After all, MIGHTY DUB PASS must cactch up with and surpass 40 years of designing, building and operating SCOOPs...
...then bring that 40 year period to an end!!!!!!!!
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Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 22 October 2007 at 3:45pm
Understand that mate, but we're gonna neeed some kind of date for the prototype, otherwise it would open the gates on the forum to people saying they're gonna design all sorts of stuff and nothing ever materialising. So how about a prototype/proof of concept in 30 days? ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
Posted By: jsg mashed
Date Posted: 22 October 2007 at 4:11pm
Your concern is unjustified. There are not enough designers on this forum for these "flood gates" of which you speak to pass more than a small trickle.
I shall provide the MIGHTY DUB PASS DESIGN when it is ready. I shall provide a design, not a prototype, though I am willing to assist anyone who wants to build some.
I shall not accept further attempts to add extra rules. You seem to try this with everyone. It is a bad habit, built upon prejudice and fear.
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Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 22 October 2007 at 4:22pm
On the contrary, there are many here who put forward design ideas/suggestions. However , the more worthy contributors, usually have the good taste to allow others to comment on the merits of their design. ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
Posted By: Heathrow_B_line
Date Posted: 22 October 2007 at 4:25pm
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Could we have a dual 18" cab something like the B2 or infrabass???  ------------- Produce a killer sound. Take no prisoners. |
Posted By: jsg mashed
Date Posted: 22 October 2007 at 4:28pm
This laugh is not the last one!!!
I already have a bandpass that can compete with scoops in spite of being half the size. I have deployed it and can demonstrate it any time. Your mirth is injudicious and premature.
Comments will indeed be invted and encouraged. It is written that all great things shall be discussed in the forums and so it shall come to pass with MIGHTY DUB PASS.
Edit: there shall be no further posts on this thread. Only edits to existing posts.
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Posted By: jsg mashed
Date Posted: 22 October 2007 at 4:34pm
I will consider a dual-driver MIGHTY DUB PASS after the single-driver one has first been created.
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Posted By: Jhodas
Date Posted: 22 October 2007 at 5:19pm
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This is all well and good jsg. What you're forgetting is that scoops are used in the reggae scene because of the quirks in their character; the distortion and the far from flat response. This is the sound people come to associate with dub and reggae. Granted your as yet unseen bandpass design may surpass many scoops on paper, but will it sound right in context? More importantly, will it catch on? Also , scoops are an anomaly. They seem to defy the maths usually applied to building horns and go against much that makes a good speaker (e.g. inherant phase cancellation) and yet, they will knock you over if you're not careful. There's a certain mystic 'something' that makes scoops more than the result of the maths you put in. Besides, King Earthquake used to use Bps, and ditched them for custion 1850 horns  ------------- Until the Lions have their own historians, tales of hunting will always glorify the hunter. |
Posted By: jsg mashed
Date Posted: 22 October 2007 at 6:21pm
Your observations are interesting.
Distortion is always associated with a loss in sensitivity. It is always more efficient to run a distorion effect and allow the midrange loudspeaker to reproduce the harmonics. A SCOOP will lose low frequency capability when the cone excursion rises to distortion levels but will reproduce the distortion harmonics inefficiently and with beaming. MIGHTY DUB PASS will not distort because it will control cone excursion correctly.
MIGHTY DUB PASS will catch on with copious amounts of WIN. Music producers have been moving to better quality monitoring systems and sound systems have reconfigured the way they use scoops so as to hide that characteristic sound because it is now just holding back the music. Now that DUB STEP is emerging the paradims are shifting.
There is nothing mystic about scoops. The response function implied by the topology includes a "zero" in the Lapace domain. This corresponds to a partial dip in frequency response. The consequence of this is similar to steeper rolloff sloes in that it allows greater efficiency with all other things equal.
The problem is that the zero will always shag the phase response wheras steep ultimate rolloffs do not need to do this. Scoops are a non-minimum-phase topology that will always lose against more mathematically sound designs.
These days, system operators omit this dip from the response by crossing over to kick bins at a relatively low frequency. But this wastes the sensitivity provided by both driver and horn at higher frequencies - the "magic" gets thrown out with the bathwater.
MIGHTY DUB PASS will be used with kick bins, just like the scoops it will replace. That's the objsctive, as I stated in my original comment (so I'm not changing the rules). Its band of operation will be optimised for that application.
As a side note, this is a perfect example of why belief in magic is harmful: as long as you think something is magical, you'll never believe that a mere mortal can capture its essence and maybe improve on it. MIGHTY DUB PASS does not require magic, only applied science and engineering.
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Posted By: Jhodas
Date Posted: 22 October 2007 at 9:22pm
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Dubsub? ------------- Until the Lions have their own historians, tales of hunting will always glorify the hunter. |
Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 23 October 2007 at 5:24am
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Theres a 'BYPASS' near my house
Its big but not very mighty though. ------------- ......just all them hanging there like giant bananas. |
Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 23 October 2007 at 5:51am
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The problem is that the zero will always shag the phase response wheras steep ultimate rolloffs do not need to do this. Scoops are a non-minimum-phase topology that will always lose against more mathematically sound designs.
As a side note, this is a perfect example of why belief in magic is harmful: as long as you think something is magical, you'll never believe that a mere mortal can capture its essence and maybe improve on it.
I look forward to hearing your MIGHTY Dub pass box
 But i and ROG have already done designs with a band pass box with horn attached, is this what yours is?
bandpass is nice but you don't get the SPL needed with out a horn attached
And this is about "scoops" my friend noT bandpass
 we all love that scoop sound for dub, its just a matter of getting the sound even better
we can all design bypas......sorry Dub pass box's but your missing the point , the question is "what is the best scoop"
Very soon you will find out.
AND YES I AGREE WITH ABOVE.
if it is still a scoop can we have a rough drawing of the outside of the box
if its not a scoop can you go somewhere else and talk mighty?
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Posted By: jsg mashed
Date Posted: 23 October 2007 at 9:39am
MIGHTY DUB PASS is not a scoop it is a bandpass. No horn flare required. When I announce MIGHTY DUB PASS I will announce it in the "Other Plans" forum. But since it is intended to replace scoops, the scoops forum deserves to know about it!!! Know that MIGHTY DUB PASS will have the same external cabinet dimensions as typical SCOOP. I did not mean to say you didn't use maths to model DUBSUB. Only that all scoops have non-minimum-phase response, which means that the phase will never be quite right, no matter how much time you spend tweaking models. ------------- ...because Good is Dumb. |
Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 23 October 2007 at 10:13am
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The phase subject is interesting. I always new in the early days that at some point the direct radiating part of a scoop would be out of phase with the lower horn part. When we finally measured it we found that our own S118 was flat between 40 and 80 hz. which to the uninitiated, means that it was just as loud at 40hz as it was at 80. As we never crossed over higher than this, what happened after was less important. I have to say that even crossed over at 120hhz in 3 way systems, there is no detrimental effect through response. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3" rel="nofollow - http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3 |
Posted By: jsg mashed
Date Posted: 23 October 2007 at 10:28am
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TONY A.S.S. when you hear MIGHTY DUB PASS it will inspire you to return to building proper cabinets not those girly thingswith the gold-plated dust caps.
MIGHTY DUB PASS will make the world a better place. And have better phase coherance than SCOOPs.
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Posted By: TONY.A.S.S.
Date Posted: 23 October 2007 at 11:20am
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Fortunately, the scoop bin or what ever it's called, has never been on the top of our priority list as a bass cab or product. It's only aimed a minority section of the greater music equipment world. I think one of the problems with this end of the market has been that up untill recently, a lot of these cabs were badly built irrespective of design or modification.
When it comes to building proper cabinets, be carefull of bold statements. There's always something out there that's bigger and better. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3" rel="nofollow - http://www.facebook.com/tony.rossell.3 |
Posted By: jsg mashed
Date Posted: 23 October 2007 at 11:48am
The only thing that will be bigger and better than MIGHTY DUB PASS would be a stack of MIGHTY DUB PASS!!!1 ------------- ...because Good is Dumb. |
Posted By: adambomb
Date Posted: 23 October 2007 at 12:08pm
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Well... this sounds very exciting to me!
Also.. people say that bandpass cabs are no good outside.. and at first I had to agree.. however... after Rog really showed me what my X1s could do, I have to retract that statement / thought.
Becuase it's sub bass it travels a long way anyway.. just because your outside doesn't make the sound disappear.. it's just that your head is used to hearing things in and around the room vibrate, when there is nothing (outside) you head tricks you... if you listen to the actual response you are getting it's all there!
Go JSG!!!
Also... many previous posts about scoops have said indoors best.. outdoors use folded horns... what happened to that??? ------------- http://www.freespeakerplans.com" rel="nofollow - www.freespeakerplans.com |
Posted By: jsg mashed
Date Posted: 23 October 2007 at 12:17pm
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Some people want scoops to be perfect, indoors and out. They say in the same breath that (1) they enjoy the characteristic distorted unaligned sound and yet (2) modern scoops are not distorted or unaligned. So what they say they like about scoops, they also say scoops don't do! Confused? You will be if you try and understand the prejudice surrounding the SCOOP.
MIGHTY DUB PASS will offer those who enjoy the REGGAE and DUB sound a real alternative. It will exceed the SCOOP in every way. Those who use it will be those who can elevate themselves above the assumptions they impose on the poor, tired, over-streched SCOOP cabinet family.
UPDATE: I've pretty much worked out what the internal cab layout will be for MIGHTY DUB PASS. Quite a lot of cirular/cyclindrical parts. I'll model up for port/cavity dimensions this evening. The design will appear in the "Other Plans" forum by tomorrow.
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Posted By: adambomb
Date Posted: 23 October 2007 at 12:57pm
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Kick ass! Look forward to seeing it! ------------- http://www.freespeakerplans.com" rel="nofollow - www.freespeakerplans.com |
Posted By: Tekasis
Date Posted: 23 October 2007 at 1:02pm
Very interested in these Mighty Dub Pass cabs, especially after hearing part of a sound system called ''Jah Marcus'' before they shipped their complete system off to Africa.
They used loads of double bandpass cabs & from what I heard, it'd be good if a single version could come close to what the doubles sounded like. Patience is a virtue they say.
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Posted By: staiper
Date Posted: 23 October 2007 at 6:23pm
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@ jsg
Man.. You know that such type of posts is not allowed on some other speaker-audio forums... (PSW for example) .. because every few months someone emerge with some supa-dupa mega turbo killing THEORETICAL design which will beat in all aspects and dishonor all other existing designs and will be potential dangerous for complete human kind because if it is built properly and powered with proper amp may cause sudden earth crust cracking.. I fully respect and support your idea (and hope that you will do all as you claimed here) but it is a bit amiss to use tons of words such "WILL" and "SHALL".. do this or that.. Without real world prototype built. Before that all this is just bunch of wishes and promises (which, we all know do not have, but can stay unrealized) ... Such way complete thread (completed with your post signature) looks like good funny joke. At the end I really wish that your project success and we all can feel/hear uhhh.. all this now becomes a bit religious
Best wishes,
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Posted By: jsg mashed
Date Posted: 23 October 2007 at 6:41pm
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I understand your concerns. MIGHTY DUB PASS will be with us soon.
My sig is a misquote from Danny Boyle's CGI space epic "Sunshine". It has subtly ironic overtones for those of us addicted to both sun and bass, like me.
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Posted By: jsg mashed
Date Posted: 23 October 2007 at 9:34pm
MIGHTY DUB PASS is with us NOW!!! See the "Other Plans" forum. Please can we continue MIGHTY DUB PASS discussions in the "Other Plans" forum now since it is not a scoop (it is in fact a scoop beater!!!!) ------------- ...because Good is Dumb. |
Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 24 October 2007 at 10:14am
------------- ......just all them hanging there like giant bananas. |
Posted By: pooju
Date Posted: 24 October 2007 at 12:36pm
... Amen brother!! ... but seriously, sure many will be eagerly watching this space Levy, have you read the post in the x1 section about such cabs outside?, HBL asked about just this application, see Phil boutle's post at the end of the thread. There was also a well good post the other day maybe by ceharden? [general section] about the myth of 'long through' cabs and line array being the only real option from a technical perspective, [from what it said, its more of case of being directional]. Might be of interest to you. Don't get me wrong, i love the scoop sound, but seems to keep returning to an argument at crossed purposes: physics vs. perception. // different needs in reproduction. |
Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 24 October 2007 at 1:32pm
This thread is about which is the best scoop out there. When the DUB PASS is more than an idea on paper, we can clash a stack of DUB PASS and a stack of scoops inside and outside to decide which is the best of the two. I think we have to decide which combination of attributes indicate the best scoop. I would assume it is Freq response, SPL, Sound quality, Driver Versatility, Cost, Availability. ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 24 October 2007 at 2:27pm
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And lets not forget the SOUND of a scoop
yes i could have made the DubSub play lower but thats not what i set out to do
its that 40-50hz horn sound is what you need
and also the remember at a dance most poeple gather at the bins. Walking up to scoop at a clash and having them breathe over your hole body is part of the deal? well i know it is for me
what you gonna do with a box with a port in it?
get on ya hands and knees one at a time and let let the port dry your sweat?
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Posted By: Jhodas
Date Posted: 24 October 2007 at 2:39pm
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Thank you mykey!
Kind of the point I was trying to make, you just sed it better.
Still waiting for plans/clash. (and the Uk's first Dubsub test) ------------- Until the Lions have their own historians, tales of hunting will always glorify the hunter. |
Posted By: levyte357
Date Posted: 24 October 2007 at 2:57pm
This is very important. I heard a supa the other day (Well Myself and Insomnia modded it to work with V18-1200 ), and even though the building was rattling, all the sub action was really happening outside the unit.So some scoops are best for Outside, and some inside.  ------------- "Who am I? I'm the guy who does his job.. You must be the other guy". |
Posted By: adambomb
Date Posted: 24 October 2007 at 3:16pm
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What this really needs is a sub shoot out.. ala wayne parham and the prosoundweb gang over in the states... your all welcome to my garden next summer for a proper test! ------------- http://www.freespeakerplans.com" rel="nofollow - www.freespeakerplans.com |
Posted By: mykey
Date Posted: 24 October 2007 at 5:01pm
I had the same thing happen, I layed it on its side , that done the trick ------------- ......just all them hanging there like giant bananas. |
Posted By: jsg mashed
Date Posted: 24 October 2007 at 6:12pm
The output port if MIGHTY DUB PASS, at 13 inches diameter, will excurse over 11 inches peak to peak.
My current sub has a 11 inch output port that excurses 8 inches and it's quite freaky what it does to the air when you generate that much bass at one position. And that output doesn't include any of that you-blow-I-suck cancellation or any puffy, unsucessful attemts to play below f3. Just bass pressure in its purest, unstrained, undistorted form.
Anyway, I'm going to abandon this thread now so that it can return to a SCOOPS discussion. Please join us in the MIGHTY DUB PASS thread in the "Other Plans" forum.
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