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Topic: Martin Audio 115
Posted By: empiresoundsystem
Subject: Martin Audio 115
Date Posted: 06 December 2016 at 9:27pm
Hi everyone.
I've refurbed three Martin Audio 115 horns and loaded them with Fane Sov Pro 600 LF drivers, (600w).
I'm running them as a mono stack with a HMAPS12 reflex top on top, all at 8r on a TSA 4/700 4chan amp.
It sounds really nice, and I'm wondering what others thoughts are on the 115, as there is not many recent threads on them.
I'm seriously considering getting more and making another identical stack as I have another HMAPS12 top.
Also, I'm running the 115's at 40-150, is that adequate?
 
cheers!
 
 
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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 07 December 2016 at 9:02am
Nicely refurbed. Well done.

3 per side,in a stereo system,is considered the norm. But more the better, Only downside is the size and bulk of them,and storage/van room they occupy.

They can be operated up to 250hz,there is even a photo on the martin site,that had them passively crossed at 900hz into a radial horn plonked on top,but that was how they did it in 1973!


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Posted By: jazomir
Date Posted: 07 December 2016 at 10:14am
Originally posted by jbl_man jbl_man wrote:

They can be operated up to 250hz,there is even a photo on the martin site,that had them passively crossed at 900hz into a radial horn plonked on top,but that was how they did it in 1973!
Ah, those days of no vocal clarity and ringing ears! I remember them well!



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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 07 December 2016 at 11:56am
There we go. Tongue



I feel your pain,let me share it with you.




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Posted By: VECTORDJ
Date Posted: 07 December 2016 at 12:17pm
A+


Posted By: tv00
Date Posted: 07 December 2016 at 12:31pm
"operated up to 250hz" -I wouldn't!
But if they're the only subs I'd stick in something more powerfull compared to size to make some serious bass, could be lf15n451, killer driver, wouldn't use that if crossing up high though!


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Posted By: Robbo
Date Posted: 07 December 2016 at 2:39pm
Martin Audio 115s are still one of the best bass/kick bins going as long as you don't expect them to do sub.
You do have a couple of problems here though as the Fanes are a waste of space in that cabinet and will self destruct with torn cones---You need drivers with very thick and heavy cones to get the best out of them, something along the lines of PD1550 which kick like a mule in them.
The cabinets also look very much like copies especially when looking at the thin spindly handles on the top two cabinets---there are one hell of a lot of copies of these boxes about and are very often quite poorly and wrongly built in the compression section at the back of the cabinet.
You can virtually stick any driver inside and these cabinets will sound "nice" but get a decent pro quality driver inside and you will notice one hell of a difference.


Posted By: tv00
Date Posted: 07 December 2016 at 2:46pm
I think I also ran mine with 1550s, but they went on into 215 mk3s :-)


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Posted By: empiresoundsystem
Date Posted: 07 December 2016 at 10:11pm
Originally posted by Robbo Robbo wrote:

Martin Audio 115s are still one of the best bass/kick bins going as long as you don't expect them to do sub.
You do have a couple of problems here though as the Fanes are a waste of space in that cabinet and will self destruct with torn cones---You need drivers with very thick and heavy cones to get the best out of them, something along the lines of PD1550 which kick like a mule in them.
The cabinets also look very much like copies especially when looking at the thin spindly handles on the top two cabinets---there are one hell of a lot of copies of these boxes about and are very often quite poorly and wrongly built in the compression section at the back of the cabinet.
You can virtually stick any driver inside and these cabinets will sound "nice" but get a decent pro quality driver inside and you will notice one hell of a difference.
 
Hi Robbo, I don't think the 1550 Sims up as well. I do believe the bottom one is a copy. The top two are originals as they had the original badges on the horn mouth sides.


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Posted By: empiresoundsystem
Date Posted: 07 December 2016 at 10:17pm
Smile
Originally posted by jbl_man jbl_man wrote:

Nicely refurbed. Well done.

3 per side,in a stereo system,is considered the norm. But more the better, Only downside is the size and bulk of them,and storage/van room they occupy.

They can be operated up to 250hz,there is even a photo on the martin site,that had them passively crossed at 900hz into a radial horn plonked on top,but that was how they did it in 1973!
 
thanks mate


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Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 07 December 2016 at 10:18pm
well you dont need a kick section anymore at least LOL sorry i couldnt resist

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Posted By: empiresoundsystem
Date Posted: 07 December 2016 at 10:32pm
LOL
Originally posted by Mark James Mark James wrote:

well you dont need a kick section anymore at least LOL sorry i couldnt resist
I just can't escape that old punch line in any corner of the internet mark lol
 


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Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 07 December 2016 at 11:36pm
yeah now we can start jokes that you need a sub instead lol

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Posted By: empiresoundsystem
Date Posted: 08 December 2016 at 6:30am
Originally posted by Mark James Mark James wrote:

yeah now we can start jokes that you need a sub instead lol


Well to be pedantic WinkLOL

Frequency RangeFrequency Values
Sub-bass20 to 60 Hz
Bass60 to 250 Hz
Low midrange250 to 500 Hz
Midrange500 Hz to 2 kHz
Upper midrange2 to 4 kHz
Presence4 to 6 kHz
Brilliance6 to 20 kHz


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Posted By: empiresoundsystem
Date Posted: 08 December 2016 at 2:24pm
Originally posted by empiresoundsystem empiresoundsystem wrote:

Originally posted by Robbo Robbo wrote:

Martin Audio 115s are still one of the best bass/kick bins going as long as you don't expect them to do sub.
You do have a couple of problems here though as the Fanes are a waste of space in that cabinet and will self destruct with torn cones---You need drivers with very thick and heavy cones to get the best out of them, something along the lines of PD1550 which kick like a mule in them.
The cabinets also look very much like copies especially when looking at the thin spindly handles on the top two cabinets---there are one hell of a lot of copies of these boxes about and are very often quite poorly and wrongly built in the compression section at the back of the cabinet.
You can virtually stick any driver inside and these cabinets will sound "nice" but get a decent pro quality driver inside and you will notice one hell of a difference.
 
Hi Robbo, I don't think the 1550 Sims up as well. I do believe the bottom one is a copy. The top two are originals as they had the original badges on the horn mouth sides.


Althouuugghhhhhh that said Robbo, you might be right, looking at the ones on the original whitesheet, it appears my bottom one is an original and the top two are very good copies Sleepy The bottom one feels alot heavier too. Ahh god knows... I've also been chatting to some mateys on a facebook group I mod and the consensus does appear to be that the Fanes are a bit poo, and that PD1550 is the way to go for these cabs; and that simming sometimes has to be ignored!





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Posted By: empiresoundsystem
Date Posted: 08 December 2016 at 2:28pm
Originally posted by empiresoundsystem empiresoundsystem wrote:

Originally posted by empiresoundsystem empiresoundsystem wrote:

Originally posted by Robbo Robbo wrote:

Martin Audio 115s are still one of the best bass/kick bins going as long as you don't expect them to do sub.
You do have a couple of problems here though as the Fanes are a waste of space in that cabinet and will self destruct with torn cones---You need drivers with very thick and heavy cones to get the best out of them, something along the lines of PD1550 which kick like a mule in them.
The cabinets also look very much like copies especially when looking at the thin spindly handles on the top two cabinets---there are one hell of a lot of copies of these boxes about and are very often quite poorly and wrongly built in the compression section at the back of the cabinet.
You can virtually stick any driver inside and these cabinets will sound "nice" but get a decent pro quality driver inside and you will notice one hell of a difference.
 
Hi Robbo, I don't think the 1550 Sims up as well. I do believe the bottom one is a copy. The top two are originals as they had the original badges on the horn mouth sides.


Althouuugghhhhhh that said Robbo, you might be right, looking at the ones on the original whitesheet, it appears my bottom one is an original and the top two are very good copies Sleepy The bottom one feels alot heavier too. Ahh god knows... I've also been chatting to some mateys on a facebook group I mod and the consensus does appear to be that the Fanes are a bit poo, and that PD1550 is the way to go for these cabs; and that simming sometimes has to be ignored!






aaaaaaaaaand on the bottom one, there was no original XLR link I/O, infact there was nothing, it went straight up the arse of the access panel oddly enough, so they might all be copies! LOLLOLLOL

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Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 08 December 2016 at 3:21pm
Yup,bottom one is also a copy....Martin (or rather Tony ASS who actually built them for Martin) would never fit the top and bottom panels that badly.


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Posted By: Robbo
Date Posted: 08 December 2016 at 3:34pm
Yeah,45 years experience with these type of cabinets does tend to give me the edge over the young whippersnappers on the forum--Between me and Ian, we could probably even give you the exact screw spacings from when the cabinets were built


Posted By: empiresoundsystem
Date Posted: 08 December 2016 at 3:53pm
Originally posted by Robbo Robbo wrote:

Yeah,45 years experience with these type of cabinets does tend to give me the edge over the young whippersnappers on the forum--Between me and Ian, we could probably even give you the exact screw spacings from when the cabinets were built
 
ehhh dear. At least they sound ok. :)


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Posted By: Mkmandy
Date Posted: 30 August 2023 at 10:47pm
Does somebody have a plan? 
So i can make them myself?? 


Posted By: KDW32
Date Posted: 31 August 2023 at 1:15pm
Originally posted by Mkmandy Mkmandy wrote:

Does somebody have a plan? 
So i can make them myself?? 

http://hornplans.free.fr/b115.html" rel="nofollow - http://hornplans.free.fr/b115.html


Posted By: doller
Date Posted: 04 September 2023 at 12:46pm
https://forum.speakerplans.com/martin-115-drawing_topic106471.html" rel="nofollow - martin 115 drawing - Speakerplans.com Forums  
I bought two originals and then copied them. The ones I have do not match the ones on hornplans. It was quite confusing. 
The 115 looks like an easy build. It is not. Very time consuming. Very rewarding to listen too. I have build pics if you want. 6 took me 3 weeks. 


Posted By: doller
Date Posted: 04 September 2023 at 12:51pm


Posted By: toebak
Date Posted: 07 September 2023 at 8:45pm
my brother in christ we made 1 in 2 days... its very easy to build try making a sbh or xtro


Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 08 September 2023 at 8:15am
Originally posted by doller doller wrote:


That's quite something Dom, eight of those 115's will punch like hell, have you tried the system outdoors? ClapClap


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Posted By: doller
Date Posted: 08 September 2023 at 12:05pm
Toebaik. Look underneath the martins. Lab horns built by me. I have done plenty of hard speakers. The reason was I really did it to the same speck as Tony. All rebated by hand router. Then all the handles and then all the paint etc.. Do you have a pic of yours please? I can upload build pics. These are done rite. 


Posted By: doller
Date Posted: 08 September 2023 at 12:16pm
Ian Yes they have been very busy last couple of years. Mainly outside. Tekno and Psy. Also some live work too. They excel with psy. I have done one event inside a club. I have to say no dj ever asked me 'got anymore bass mate '. I made them to fit the mid horns. Taguchi. Also you and Robbo rave about these old boxes.
I do have the proper 2inch radial horns now. Loaded with some pioneer rubbish. TAD . So I binned them and stuck jbl's in there. Joke by the way.
Still not sure where the amp is still Osaka docks I think.



Posted By: Robbo
Date Posted: 08 September 2023 at 12:29pm
I never forget the first Thin Lizzy headlining tour with a big Entec Martin Audio rig with twelve 1x15s a side, when the sound check started as usual with the drum kit and when Brian Downey hit the bass drum for the first time one of the lighting guys was walking across the stage in front of the PA stacks and he was physically blown off the stage with the air movement pressure---never seen this happen again in my touring lifetime.


Posted By: doller
Date Posted: 08 September 2023 at 1:28pm
I am guessing that they were running off BGW GTB's 600w into 4r so a total of 7200w max on the 115s . Now today that is two bass bins isn't it? Flat out on a powersoft. 
8x115 will give you about 4sqmtrs of mouth. 
Were they the TAD, Gauss or E140?
I really want to hear 8 loaded with the Gauss.


Posted By: Robbo
Date Posted: 08 September 2023 at 2:09pm
I would say that they were probably Gauss loaded as most of the companies based around London and the south of the UK tended to use Gauss as Mike Cotter used to look after them really well with supplies of drivers and also very quick on the reconing front---We had some Mega 1x15s similar to the Martins and they were loaded from the factory with E140 JBLs and we hated them as they did nothing but honk a lot but after changing back to some older K140s it cured the problem---never been a fan of the E140 sound to this day.


Posted By: Earplug
Date Posted: 08 September 2023 at 3:25pm
Aaaah - good old M. Cotter. Now there was a gent. Unbelievable what happened to him...   Unhappy
 
And funnily enough, I'm actually taking out my Philishaves for a bit of an airing tomorrow. I had a couple of 115's, but sold them as they do take up a lot of room. I now use EV MTL2's under the Philies.

And I've always wondered what difference there was between the 115 and 215. Any comments?





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Posted By: Robbo
Date Posted: 08 September 2023 at 4:45pm
Yeah--Mike Cotter was one of the nicest blokes that I have ever met in the music industry and he would go out of his way to help anyone with a problem.
As regards the comparison between Martin 215s and 115s, the double bin always seemed to have the edge over a pair of stacked 115s probably down to the drivers coupling inside the cabinet---we used to have a mix of both cabinets available from stock as some venues were difficult to get the double bin in/out of and they were very difficult to stack three high(no wimps back in those days) and probably the reason why I now have permanent back pain!!!!!


Posted By: Earplug
Date Posted: 08 September 2023 at 5:29pm
Originally posted by Robbo Robbo wrote:

Yeah--Mike Cotter was one of the nicest blokes that I have ever met in the music industry and he would go out of his way to help anyone with a problem.
As regards the comparison between Martin 215s and 115s, the double bin always seemed to have the edge over a pair of stacked 115s probably down to the drivers coupling inside the cabinet---we used to have a mix of both cabinets available from stock as some venues were difficult to get the double bin in/out of and they were very difficult to stack three high(no wimps back in those days) and probably the reason why I now have permanent back pain!!!!!



Ok, interesting, ta.  Thumbs Up

And try moving the MT4's around! I worked for a while with a company that had a load of those. Stacking them was an art!!   LOL




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Posted By: Mkmandy
Date Posted: 08 September 2023 at 5:39pm
Yes please! Thank you! That would be very helpful!


Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 08 September 2023 at 5:43pm
Originally posted by doller doller wrote:

8x115 will give you about 4sqmtrs of mouth. 
Were they the TAD, Gauss or E140?
I really want to hear 8 loaded with the Gauss.

Dom, not sure if you can get Precision Devices out there, but if you can, try the PD1550 in the 115,  it's a good modern alternative to the Gauss 4583. Has a bit more power handling too, due to modern adhesives etc. Eight of those would be epic in the 115's, but see if you can get a single one to compare side by side with your existing drivers?


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Posted By: doller
Date Posted: 08 September 2023 at 10:52pm
Without a doubt I want the PDs. But at 400quid a pop here. Don't think the wife would allow it. I don't make enough money off the sound to warrant it.
They are Kappa loaded. And to be honest it is plenty. I think with the 115 it  best to not drive the life out of them. They really don't need a lot of power. Like I said running them off Amcron 3600vz. It is plenty. Emmy are about all you get here at a good price.
They came 140 loaded. Sounded fine but I only run them up to 160hz.. E140 is not a popular speaker here they don't make much money.
I will try and upload some build pics . May take a while.
I am a bit of a "vintage lover" Ian. that is also why I would like to hear the Gauss.



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