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Topic: The Beringer iNUKE 6000 thread
Posted By: levyte357-
Subject: The Beringer iNUKE 6000 thread
Date Posted: 27 January 2017 at 9:08pm
In an attempt to halt "thread jacking" on other thread, the "likers" ( and haters), can comment here instead. LOL




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Posted By: mini-mad
Date Posted: 27 January 2017 at 9:11pm
hate them.... God awful things... nasty bass... whoops! sorry thought this was the scoop bashing section



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Posted By: nickyburnell
Date Posted: 28 January 2017 at 11:25am
Fisher Price front panel.  Why??????


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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 28 January 2017 at 11:39am
Originally posted by nickyburnell nickyburnell wrote:

Fisher Price front panel.  Why??????


I know.. Only reason I haven't bought one to live in the lock up..

Came real close yesterday, it was the added tenner for Paypal payment, that deterred me this time!!!LOL


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Posted By: nickyburnell
Date Posted: 28 January 2017 at 11:56am
Wait for used ones @ Rig Resale I've spent all my money on K £150 touch


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Posted By: I-shen Soundboy
Date Posted: 28 January 2017 at 11:57am
There's got to be a niche for an aftermarket front panel kit; a bit more involved than a panel swap, as the vu + pots sit forward of the chassis, but there appears to be ample space to relocate them.

Anyone tried this (not that they'll admit to it)?


Posted By: nickyburnell
Date Posted: 28 January 2017 at 11:59am
Perhaps the panel is on purpose?  To stop pro people using them and bringing the national grid to it's knees, or destroying the entire UK stock of generators.Wink

Coat on


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Posted By: nickyburnell
Date Posted: 28 January 2017 at 12:07pm
What is the real world non Roots 4r performance like?  IE 2 x Gsub with XB's


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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 28 January 2017 at 12:21pm
Originally posted by nickyburnell nickyburnell wrote:

What is the real world non Roots 4r performance like?  IE 2 x Gsub with XB's


From personal use of them on mates set, I know they definitely do 1kwpc @ 8 ohms.

Personally, would not ever use them at 4 ohms stereo..

Waiting for lab test on the 12000, but logic dictates,  they should do solid 2kwpc @ 4 ohms, downto 30hz.

Solid, as in, embarrass a lot of brand name  lightweights, rated at 3kwpc @ 4 ohms.  <wink>

LOL


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Posted By: U.Viktor
Date Posted: 28 January 2017 at 1:06pm


Here is why the INUKE is not a professional category amplifier and kills music, sound quality.

- INUKE power supply injecting large current harmonics to the mains (NO PFC)
- Output frequency response is UNPREDICTABLE on real speakers (while perfect on resistive load..)
- Output waveforms, distortion are load type dependent due uncontrolled output filter, voice and singers like got nausea
-  Improper cooling structure (no heatsinks)
- Vulnerable circuitry in electrical and mechanical means, lack proper of protections
- Power levels are nowhere near what is advertised



Posted By: jbl_man
Date Posted: 28 January 2017 at 1:45pm
Yes,but here we go again,what do you expect for 270 quid? Cant start picking holes in the performance at that price. Smile


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Posted By: U.Viktor
Date Posted: 28 January 2017 at 1:49pm


Here is your  "cheap linearray". Not as good than an OUTLINE GTO but Cheap!


Posted By: jammin75
Date Posted: 28 January 2017 at 2:30pm
Originally posted by nickyburnell nickyburnell wrote:

What is the real world non Roots 4r performance like?  IE 2 x Gsub with XB's



can personally answer that i have been usin inuke 6000 dsp since halloween 2014 mostly on 4 ohm stereo i use mine on ' disco duty ' but my wifes disco includes  hip hop rnb house garage bashment and reggae and other urban types of tunes  LOL i run 2 700 watt 18's actively on one channel i run them heavy i can get the amp to clip on the really heavy tracks or if in a big room the 18's cud take a bit more than the amp can give in 4ohm mode but it gives enough and we played in sum big rooms like rubery social club !!!





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Posted By: jammin75
Date Posted: 28 January 2017 at 2:46pm
Originally posted by U.Viktor U.Viktor wrote:



Here is why the INUKE is not a professional category amplifier and kills music, sound quality.

- INUKE power supply injecting large current harmonics to the mains (NO PFC)
- Output frequency response is UNPREDICTABLE on real speakers (while perfect on resistive load..)
- Output waveforms, distortion are load type dependent due uncontrolled output filter, voice and singers like got nausea
-  Improper cooling structure (no heatsinks)
- Vulnerable circuitry in electrical and mechanical means, lack proper of protections
- Power levels are nowhere near what is advertised



inuke 12000 on bass and pkn for tops LOL  


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Posted By: cookie-dj
Date Posted: 28 January 2017 at 8:33pm
Viktor needs to stop with this berry bashing - it's a budget amp for heaven's sake.
If the inuke amp costs as much as the PKN, then yes fire away. Not when the inuke costs almost a fifth of the equivalent PKN or touring grade amp.
Im buying an inuke and it's going to make me money.


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Posted By: cookie-dj
Date Posted: 28 January 2017 at 8:35pm
Originally posted by jammin75 jammin75 wrote:

Originally posted by nickyburnell nickyburnell wrote:

What is the real world non Roots 4r performance like?  IE 2 x Gsub with XB's



can personally answer that i have been usin inuke 6000 dsp since halloween 2014 mostly on 4 ohm stereo i use mine on ' disco duty ' but my wifes disco includes  hip hop rnb house garage bashment and reggae and other urban types of tunes  LOL i run 2 700 watt 18's actively on one channel i run them heavy i can get the amp to clip on the really heavy tracks or if in a big room the 18's cud take a bit more than the amp can give in 4ohm mode but it gives enough and we played in sum big rooms like rubery social club !!!


[IMG]http://www.freeindex.co.uk/media/listingpics/48/216/club034.jpg" height="375" width="500[/rIMG]


When are you next playing out? I'd like to hear your sound

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Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 28 January 2017 at 8:56pm
have to be honest iv only heard [knowingly] a pkn amp once a and errrr it was a spare used when an inf8 got broken by someone plugging a speakon from ch1 into channel 2 [not my mistake i laughed alot when i saw it tho] and i was not realy that impressed with the pkn, was on a par with ffa etc not a fan tbh hope to be proven wrong tho but the sound quiality was a noticeable step down from the inf8 tbh like all class d i guess

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Posted By: njw
Date Posted: 28 January 2017 at 9:12pm
Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Originally posted by nickyburnell nickyburnell wrote:

Fisher Price front panel.  Why??????


I know.. Only reason I haven't bought one to live in the lock up..

Came real close yesterday, it was the added tenner for Paypal payment, that deterred me this time!!!LOL
   

 Same here, I wanted something cheap and light to run some mid-tops for mobile disco gigs and looked at the I-nukes but decided I couldn't live with the looks which is actually pretty daft is it not? Instead I bought a Kam KD1000 which does the job more than well enough (and is tiny!) with my only complaint being that it sometimes sounds a little 'bright'. 


Posted By: concept-10
Date Posted: 28 January 2017 at 9:34pm
I've said this somewhere else, I swapped some heavyweights for the inukes, I run them 4r 45 to 150 and they are ok, of course they put some crap in the signal, of course they are not pkn/powersoft, but I run them to death and they still keep giving, for £250 what is there to complain about? I run my subs 45 and below with ca18s, I swapped out my ca 12s for the inukes and most say they sound more aggressive and harder hitting, at £750 for three amps with three years warranty I don't care, however, they will not deliver at 30hz and compared to crests on mid top they are pants. 


Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 28 January 2017 at 10:51pm
Originally posted by njw njw wrote:

Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Originally posted by nickyburnell nickyburnell wrote:

Fisher Price front panel.  Why??????


I know.. Only reason I haven't bought one to live in the lock up..

Came real close yesterday, it was the added tenner for Paypal payment, that deterred me this time!!!LOL
   

 Same here, I wanted something cheap and light to run some mid-tops for mobile disco gigs and looked at the I-nukes but decided I couldn't live with the looks which is actually pretty daft is it not? Instead I bought a Kam KD1000 which does the job more than well enough (and is tiny!) with my only complaint being that it sometimes sounds a little 'bright'. 
how you finding the kd? i might end up with a couple of the 3000 running our 186 horns and been wondering what they are like
also there is a switch for the input sensetivity? or is the spec sheet just a garble? lol


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Posted By: M4trix
Date Posted: 28 January 2017 at 11:02pm
Anyone performed a burning test with iNuke 6000 over 24 hours ? I would like to see this sucker suffer ! LOL


Posted By: njw
Date Posted: 28 January 2017 at 11:35pm
Originally posted by Mark James Mark James wrote:

Originally posted by njw njw wrote:

Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Originally posted by nickyburnell nickyburnell wrote:

Fisher Price front panel.  Why??????


I know.. Only reason I haven't bought one to live in the lock up..

Came real close yesterday, it was the added tenner for Paypal payment, that deterred me this time!!!LOL
   

 Same here, I wanted something cheap and light to run some mid-tops for mobile disco gigs and looked at the I-nukes but decided I couldn't live with the looks which is actually pretty daft is it not? Instead I bought a Kam KD1000 which does the job more than well enough (and is tiny!) with my only complaint being that it sometimes sounds a little 'bright'. 
how you finding the kd? i might end up with a couple of the 3000 running our 186 horns and been wondering what they are like
also there is a switch for the input sensetivity? or is the spec sheet just a garble? lol
    

 To be honest it's a good little amp, it's powering a a pair of 15+1's so nothing demanding but it's got a surprising amount of grunt especially when you consider it's no bigger than an lms, I've had it nearly a year and had no reliability issues, it does get quite warm when idling which was a bit worrying at first but when it's under load and the fans kick in it cools right down. As said it sounds a bit brighter than a 'traditional' amp but on bass this is obviously going to be a non issue. I've ran big heavy 3u amps for years but my days of lugging those about are long to be honest after hearing what this little Kam can do which I think is testament enough really. Oh, and definately no switch for sensitivity, I've just looked.Smile


Posted By: Mark James
Date Posted: 28 January 2017 at 11:42pm
lol on the spec sheet it says 1v 0.77v and 32db gain which cant be true without it being switchable lol thats the issue i got atm. sounds like im gonna have to get a couple and get someone to bench them to find out the input sensetivity lol 
good to hear they do the job tho i like this :-)
thanks for the comments much apreciated :-)


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If you want people to feel the bass then a reflex design is probably best as you get the most air movement per decibel from those.      errrrr yes wtf?


Posted By: nickyburnell
Date Posted: 29 January 2017 at 12:04am
This is actually getting silly now

https://www.thomann.de/gb/behringer_km1700.htm" rel="nofollow - https://www.thomann.de/gb/behringer_km1700.htm


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Posted By: app
Date Posted: 29 January 2017 at 12:22am
My inuke6000dsp with 2 18" subs on ch1 and 2 12" triple cone tops on the other channel. Playing jungle yesterday.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BPytRkEBgQQ/" rel="nofollow - https://www.instagram.com/p/BPytRkEBgQQ/

Never had any problems with the amp whatsoever. I bought mine when it was cheaper than it is at the moment. 


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Posted By: M4trix
Date Posted: 29 January 2017 at 1:09am
@app, if iNuke sounds like that...then I have bad news for you. LOL Wink


Posted By: app
Date Posted: 29 January 2017 at 1:43am
Hahah. 
Heres another one with some different material and not that loud :D https://www.instagram.com/p/BPxrrckhi9k/" rel="nofollow - https://www.instagram.com/p/BPxrrckhi9k/


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Posted By: D3aD
Date Posted: 03 March 2017 at 11:36pm
Sooo.
To boost my little system.
Im planning on building two scoops putting
RCF LF18G401 in them.
And hang them off of an NU6000.
It will be around 900€
Can you guys recommend any better for this kind of money?
Or should i just go and hang myself? XD

But srsly is it worth it or not what do you think ?




Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 04 March 2017 at 3:07pm
Originally posted by D3aD D3aD wrote:

Sooo.
To boost my little system.
Im planning on building two scoops putting
RCF LF18G401 in them.
And hang them off of an NU6000.
It will be around 900€
Can you guys recommend any better for this kind of money?
Or should i just go and hang myself? XD

But srsly is it worth it or not what do you think ?




There are better Scoop drivers than RCF LF18G401.

1x Void V18-1000 18", per channel off INUKE 6000, should be plenty loud in Superscooper 18, or Staiper MS18 mini Scoop MK2.



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Posted By: nickyburnell
Date Posted: 04 March 2017 at 6:02pm
He's in Hungary Ray. Any V1000s there?


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Posted By: sajti
Date Posted: 04 March 2017 at 6:25pm
Hi,
possible, but expensive.
 
Sajtu


Posted By: D3aD
Date Posted: 04 March 2017 at 7:04pm
No way finding v1000s here.
Any idea of better drivers for superscooper that i can actually buy here?
PD -s are a little too expensive for me.
Or should i just save up so i can buy PD-s? If i want decent scoops?

Also i think i will ditch the nu6000 for my plan ad go for
Proline 3000. Double the price but i read good things about the Proline 3000 and if everything goes well maybe i can attach 2 more scoops on the proline ?? maybe ?
:D it should handle a 4 ohm load with ease and maybe spank 4 scoops. Dont know yet but i hope it can.
Anybody using proline 3000 here is it good??? or can i find a better amp for 700€?

(Thank you for the answers in advance and please save me and my wallet by not recommending me amps and drivers with a price tag of an arm and a leg :DD)



Posted By: Dutchman
Date Posted: 04 March 2017 at 7:48pm
B&C TBX100 and indeed proline 3000 or even better and maybe cheaper found second hand, QSC MX3000 or so. Don't mind the wattage rating, fire a QSC MX/EX up on your 18" drivers and you will be satisfied :D. 

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Posted By: D3aD
Date Posted: 04 March 2017 at 9:26pm
If im buying my amp from thomann then I can get this from them:
https://www.thomann.de/intl/bc_18sw100.htm" rel="nofollow - https://www.thomann.de/intl/bc_18sw100.htm
B&C 18SW100
The Neodymium one for the same price as the TBX100.
Any idea about those ?


Posted By: gen0me
Date Posted: 05 March 2017 at 6:32am
Both tbx and sw100 has much weaker motors than 1850 and void


Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 05 March 2017 at 4:54pm
Originally posted by gen0me gen0me wrote:

Both tbx and sw100 has much weaker motors than 1850 and void







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Posted By: levyte357-
Date Posted: 05 March 2017 at 5:13pm
Originally posted by nickyburnell nickyburnell wrote:

He's in Hungary Ray. Any V1000s there?




This Scoop will work well, with many more drivers, than SuperScooper18.

http://forum.speakerplans.com/fane-scaled-up_topic74640.html" rel="nofollow - http://forum.speakerplans.com/fane-scaled-up_topic74640.html


Oberton's are Bulgarian, "I think" ?

Oberton 1600 will work in above Scoop.

But above Scoop needs more bracing.


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Posted By: Dutchman
Date Posted: 05 March 2017 at 9:03pm
Just skip the PD1850 or Void V1000. Ok, they are good drivers, but cost 500€ , weigh 30 kilo and have 1kw RMS rating.. It's outdated overpriced tech. There are way better solutions , and especially in that price range! The b&c will be a good driver. Maybe look at faital Prro 18XL1800 if you are willing to spend 500€ for a driver. PD1850 vs new neo dymium drivers is a bit like crown ma5000 vs Powersoft K20.........

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Posted By: patryk1305
Date Posted: 05 March 2017 at 9:17pm
Originally posted by Dutchman Dutchman wrote:

Just skip the PD1850 or Void V1000. Ok, they are good drivers, but cost 500€ , weigh 30 kilo and have 1kw RMS rating.. It's outdated overpriced tech. There are way better solutions , and especially in that price range! The b&c will be a good driver. Maybe look at faital Prro 18XL1800 if you are willing to spend 500€ for a driver. PD1850 vs new neo dymium drivers is a bit like crown ma5000 vs Powersoft K20.........

I think you got the pricing a bit wrong there. I would say that Void V1000 is on of the best in it's price range (That's if you can get your hands on one). Outdated tech? Don't think so... 


Posted By: Dub Specialist Sound
Date Posted: 05 March 2017 at 11:01pm
Yes brace the hell out of it,

i build them with 25mm x 4 bracing within thr horn path, 2 from rear baffle to up anglepanel, and 2x 25mm from up angled panel to rear of box

great allrounder this scoop, i like it tbh


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Posted By: D3aD
Date Posted: 06 March 2017 at 9:33am
Now my problem is that the shipping cost is more than a 100€ for any of the speakers mentioned above (for the ones that are 20kg like the void and oberton).
The Faital Pro 18XL1800 is not that heavy but it costs more. So really doesnt matter which one i chose because with shipping fee im going to be around 500€.

So my plan was that i get everything from thomann and if im above 400€ they pay for the delivery, im getting the proline 3000 from them which is also 40kg and would be again a ton of money to ship it from the UK to Hungary.

So im wondering if you can find a good driver for the scoops that are mantioned above or for the superscooper,   that thomann sells.

Thomann has some PD-s and a lot of others maybe there is a good driver ?! around 350-400€? Or maybe I have to go higher in price? :(

Btw thats why i was thinking of the B&C 18SW100 because thomann sells it and its also under 400 €


Posted By: eyeT
Date Posted: 10 December 2017 at 3:25am
My comments on the inuke 6000dsp. I've had one now for just over 3 years and untill recently was very happy with it. Just before the 3 year warranty had expired the amp started to play up (fans stopping, music cutting out briefly with red lights then back on again. I sent the amp back using Thomann return.
After a "service", which detailed parts replaced and general testing written in German, I had the amp returned (to the wrong address, but that's a different story).
Last night I played out for the first time with the "serviced" amp. After about two hours the amp cut out very briefly, did it a couple more times before the red rings of comma state settled on it's ugly face, about 30 mins before the end of the show.
I have written to Thomann service people and await a reply. Where do I stand? It seems as if they
have done nothing to "fix" the amp despite the service report. It is now of course out of warranty.
If I was that cynical I could think that they had not really made an effort to repair the amp knowing that
it would soon be out of warranty anyway. A big multi-national company like music group wouldn't behave like that would they?Shocked


Posted By: nickyburnell
Date Posted: 10 December 2017 at 9:36am
I personally recon if you are going to use these:

Have a spare (that goes for any amp)
Keep it 3 years and sell it for 50% of cost at least it seems
Buy new


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Posted By: cravings
Date Posted: 10 December 2017 at 10:15am
how do you use it, out of curiosity? what loads and speakers etc?


Posted By: eyeT
Date Posted: 11 December 2017 at 4:19am
Yeah I guess I got my three years from an amp that cost me quite a bit less than they cost now. I would still look to repair it if possible.
It was mostly running a 4r load as bass in a four way system, never really made to sweat though. On Saturday it was running a pair of  8" tops at 8r well below battle volume in a small open air bar. It got used as the amp for single amp events also, because of the weight and built in dsp. I really quite liked it while it was working.
If anybody knows of any common problems to check, my electrical knowledge is pretty limited but I could have a look under the bonnet. Or is it just a not very heavy door stop now?


Posted By: eyeT
Date Posted: 11 December 2017 at 5:30am
Just plugged it in the wall and it's on again (no load). I'll leave it for the day and see what happens.
"Un-Reliability Hi-Fi Playing Soon!...... maybe"Confused

Any ideas on trouble shooting welcome, though I don't think I'll be relying on this one again.


Posted By: Tonskulus
Date Posted: 11 December 2017 at 5:56am
Bad solderings maybe (typical for RoHS, not quite long lasting), or bad capacitors.  
I have some Thomann T-amps, all of them required some resoldering work.  I also have few old QSC "iron" amps, those are lasting forever. 



Posted By: eyeT
Date Posted: 11 December 2017 at 4:53pm
Well it staid on all day. I'll find out how to check the caps (am I just looking for leaks and bloating?) and have a look over the soldering. Thanks for the KnowledgeThumbs Up


Posted By: RiddimKid
Date Posted: 12 December 2017 at 12:41am
Sounds like your Behringer came from the first faulty batch. Many were sold and a lot of people had similar issues. I would try and ask thomann for a new one. They know about the original bad batches because a friend I know sent two back to them. Nice amps when they work correctly!


Posted By: eyeT
Date Posted: 12 December 2017 at 4:25am
Yes I have been very happy with my lightweight dsp amp. I haven't had a reply from thomann yet and the 3 year warranty has just expired (I believe while it was in their service dept). I'll give it a couple of days for them to reply. It does upset me that their R&D department for built in obsolescence seems to have hit a bulls eye on my particular amp. No need to really fix the thing if the warranty has expired before it leaves the benchUnhappy


Posted By: toastyghost
Date Posted: 12 December 2017 at 10:08am
That's not how warranty works, if you report a fault before the expiration date it is to be fixed under that warranty, whether the unit reaches them or not.

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Posted By: ReubGold
Date Posted: 12 December 2017 at 12:45pm
I know Berry Inukes sound good at 8 ohm stereo, but still not bought any personally, due to this very likely occurrence.

I'd be more likely to buy an SAE, or more expensive Lab copy.


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Posted By: eyeT
Date Posted: 13 December 2017 at 4:09am
The unit was "fixed" under warranty but only gave me 2.5hrs of action before being in need of further
service. I guess something was missed or the testing was not thorough enough? I'm sure they carried
out the work as detailed in the report but it seems they some how missed the core problem causing the fault. I have written to Thomann and await a reply, let's see what they say.


Posted By: eyeT
Date Posted: 29 December 2017 at 2:06pm
Well they replied and although the Amp is out of warranty, there is six months warranty on the last repair, it being the same fault. They sent me the label so I hope to get it off early new year.



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