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roborg
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Posted: 24 December 2005 at 1:49am |
well more of a toot really, two spare 18's screwed to a vwedge piece of ply, jammed against the throat of the ravehorn & getting all an 1800w china/brasil watt amp can do. bridge 2 ohm u know the deal... lots of heat n' not too much wattage actually getting to the speakers
Just hope the small crowd here drink enough to pay for the extra power it's using......
Its getting, (the clubs not shut 4 tnite yet ) 20-70hz random techno V nice, v phat, but unfortunately a bit lost under the 4 1850's But producing a much fuller sound & the 1850's can breath alot better crossed over higher, getting some fariy insane neck constriction from the 1850's ATM (hehe mouse is jumping around on the desk) The horn loaded low freq is different, not sure whether i can say better or worse than big bass reflex/bandpass, indoors prolly identical effect.
Gonna get 6 or more 12's next year for it & some decent ampidge
cheers,
Rob
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james folkes
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it's wasted on 2 18"s rob, and you know it.
we're expecting big things from this project, roll on the mega manifold loaded multiple 12"s, you knows it. james. |
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mardy hippy.
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roborg
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absolutely, it needs at least 6+ 600w drivers in it to get that much potential trouser flap doing its thing. Still waiting for TS params for some good looking 10's, prolly just buy 1 & try it, if it looks good get 7 more Then theres the costly problem of amplification, i want to get 10+Kw into it, looking at building my own class-d sub amp. Biggest problem is still puttingmonet aside to actually get it loaded properly. If i knew it would get people to drink more i'd do it tomorrow .
cheers
Rob
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tb_mike
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Save some dollars and just use 5kw,you know its only 3dB
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freddyi
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hey Rob - whats your impression of that monster's potential from what you've got so far? - might be tough to guess
what pyschological factors and atmosphere makes folks dump their goods & buy the most drinks in a given time span? - if too fast then pass out too quick - although seen ladies run on autopilot for couple daze fear makes sober folks spend - what works with drinking crowd? |
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roborg
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Alot more potential than it's likely to get i think! With dual 18's it's got a smoothness that is almost not fitting for a nightclub. It fills the entire club (~3000m3) with a really warm sensation, makes everything throb (not really vibrate, the 1850's do that!) It's needing alot more power to produce some satisfying (human) throat constriction
I'm sort of regretting making the horn throat so narrow now as it really restricts the choice of drivers. The throat entrance is a mere 500cm2 at its narrowest point (foot thick concrete around that ) So potentially V.nice efficiency, but once it gets (if it ever gets) some real power will prolly make a fair bit of 2nd order distortion on those peaks (or should i say rolling hills!)
The ideal setup looks to be 6-10 10" cones with 4" voice coils. There's only one serious candidate ATM, profissom 10p4, but they are well slow at getting me the info i want (basically xmax & xdam) When carnival is over here and the profits pick up i'll get one & just run one to destruction to see what it takes! (new-year to carnival (now) is a very slow time for clubs here, having difficulty paying everything ATM.)
With ten 10"ers The drivers would be rated at around 7KwRMS so i could prolly drive with around 15Kw of ampidge (that should get ~140dB in the middle of dancefloor down to 30hz) I'd prolly high pass at 30hz. I'm a bit hell bent on building my own class-d BCA architecture (check out diyaudio.com: class-d)but with so much to do (including finding a new scope if i do build the amp myself....)
I reckon the trick to sellin beer is primarily stayin open to 8am (so people have to drink something ) play what they love for short periods looouud then back off a little for a beer breather (or better still energy drink, same % profit 3x the price ), but not so much they think the nights over & go home though!
As for autopilot, chicks here seem to last about 3 hours b4 they drop (dancing that is )
typical 4am... (with ravehorn+2 18's) I gotta remember to get pics of the munters with their heads in the 1850's heh!
not a stack-chick, but she's (camilla costa) keepin the party goin....
The techno chicks here are just too fit for techno i think . Keeps the guys drinking tho. A far cry from czechtek! The guys generally last 10 minutes after the chicks go.... A few coke heads & groups all prepared for morning with shades already donned go on until the classical chillout rolls out at around 7:30 -8am & the sun starts to shine thru some of the open air ventilators. Well freaky when the sun shines thru the haze in the club after spending 8 hours indoors.
Whilst farting around with the system during the night it seems people dance alot harder when i get the compressor clipping like mad & really producing s*it loads of higher harmonics (not much more amp power just alot more harmonics.) Pump up the high frequencies throughout the night to make up for peoples loss of hearing , including my own. I usually run 4:1 zero attack 1/3 sec release & that produces a fairly full character to the music. I don't like the sound of compression that strong, but most prefer (dj's espeicllay) it like that! The bellringer i use has a dynamic enhancer that wangs the mids & highs back up which seems to hide, quite well, some of the compression artefacts.
I think with horn loaded mid-bass & mids deliberately clipping is a good thing (for a dance system) to get strong bass harmonics. The bass harmonics coming from the mids (i guess 200-500hz) really add a crack to the bass. With this clubs (fairly underpowered bass) system you really feel a 'shockwave' from the mids hitting your chest & throat in time with fast bass. Perfect for fast dnb, techno & harder psy. It's not uncomfortable like really strong bass but sounds really hard. Really gets the munters moving at 6am
cheers
Rob
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quality control
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please!!! show us this ravehorn...
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gingerbiscuit69
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search the forum!
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djstefanos
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i have searched, found nothing. show us!!
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hifiger
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The link to the photos seems to have expired...
http://roborg.freefronthost.com/ |
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gingerbiscuit69
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this is a seriously old topic now, the owner of the ravehorn has since sold the club (with ravehorn inside) and moved onto something new (i think). hosting has probably expired.
try to PM Roborg and ask if he can host them somewhere, or if they already are.... |
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Bufan
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Could someone maybe give a little description of the design? There is sow little information on this "out of space" horn, that one could believe it was made at Area 51... UPS that doesn't exist... Dose it |
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