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munkey
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Posted: 14 June 2017 at 10:57am |
A local rock venue is now allowing us to do nights in there. The trouble is that the accoustica are terrible. Its a large space (I dont know the dimensions) and the most beautiful of rigs sounds terrible in there. What are the possible solutions other than hanging heavy drapes all the way round (its huge so not really a financially viable option)? Will corner loading the rig into two stacks, facing opposite corners help much? Would having a stack in all 4 corners help? Any other suggestions?
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shagnasty
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I hate to say it, turn the rig down until the room fills up is a real, really cheap option...
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munkey
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This is true. Struggling to pack the venue atm. Its far larger than the main room in lakota. You'd need 400-500 in there easy. Next night will have headliners to try n pack it out. Are either of my ideas going to help?
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mini-mad
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Would a large drape JUST across the back wall not help a lot?
You could roughly calculate standing waves up and down and across the room by knowing the dims of said room. Aim speakers down into the crowd as apose to just stacking them and hitting the back wall? Rear or side fills MAY help a little. |
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If it sounds like a gorilla is trying to escape, turn it down.
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shagnasty
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Assuming you are using a real PA not a line array, angling your Mid-his 20 degrees down into the punters will help a bit
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Elliot Thompson
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I have found using multiple full-range tops at different locations (Four Columns Minimum) will greatly reduce the reverberation while not losing a lot of SPL. Keep the Columns away from the venue walls and build your own virtual walls focusing the sound at the centre of the Dance Floor. Ease up on the Bass until there are enough punters in the venue. You will use the punters as a means of Acoustic Wadding to dampen the venue in which, will allow you to increase the Bass back to nominal levels. Best Regards, |
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toastyghost
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Really not a lot you can do without spending proper money on treatment, drape is not ideal other than a quick to throw up temporary solution, it's simply not effective enough to justify the cost of doing the lot.
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cravings
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i've seen a few inflatable things up high really change the sound of a space in a positive way before.
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toastyghost
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mini-mad
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This guy has no intention of spending serious money on "proper" sound deadening so let's find a readable solution that will help him as a pose to spending shit loads of of money he doesn't have.
I say try the huge drape across just the back of the hall for now (providing it's a rectangular room) and side fills have way down the room so you don't have to blast it all at one end for war volume. Aim into the crowd and not over them and a just eq a little as the room fills up. Try to bring bass cabs away from the walls and the corners as yes they do provide a few db extra of volume but can also give a boomy sound that may muddy what you're trying to achieve. Try a few things out.. |
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If it sounds like a gorilla is trying to escape, turn it down.
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toastyghost
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If the venue is not full, aiming into the crowd more will just move the reflection you're exciting from the ceiling to the floor…
If it's a large space, enough drape to do even one wall is 'serious' money especially once it's rigged right and treated for fire. We could do something like this: All four walls, for about £3000 worth of raw materials. No excuse for not doing a job at least half-arse… If you want decent ideas on a reasonable budget, then you need to go look at some TV production studios, especially in the roof. Edited by toastyghost - 14 June 2017 at 6:05pm |
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mini-mad
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Again... rather then pointing out what can't be done why not point out what CAN be done.
Ok why not try stacks at the front and at the back so your not blasting one end? I retract my statement as you did edit to suggest at least something that may be of help. Edited by mini-mad - 14 June 2017 at 6:07pm |
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If it sounds like a gorilla is trying to escape, turn it down.
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