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Hello all to confirm. By adding another baffle I will increase the cone control, Spl, and pressure from the box? I want to be sure I understand this correctly before I make any modifications. Would a picture of the box help you guys?

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Originally posted by MINTEVENTRESOURCES MINTEVENTRESOURCES wrote:

We all know that the PD, Void, and Turbomax are the most respected and best. With that said those are diffidukt to obtain here in America. What would be you choice for a speaker in this class?
 
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Originally posted by bee bee wrote:

Originally posted by MINTEVENTRESOURCES MINTEVENTRESOURCES wrote:

We all know that the PD, Void, and Turbomax are the most respected and best. With that said those are diffidukt to obtain here in America. What would be you choice for a speaker in this class?
 
18 sound 9601 all day long, easy to source in the us too.

This unit wants a ton of power. Not sure if this will cure my SPL and pressure issue? Would you say yes? Would you say this driver stands up the the PD, Void, Turbo kings?

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Originally posted by MINTEVENTRESOURCES MINTEVENTRESOURCES wrote:


This unit wants a ton of power. Not sure if this will cure my SPL and pressure issue? Would you say yes? Would you say this driver stands up the the PD, Void, Turbo kings?


This speaker (18Sound) will more than stand up remember the Void and Turbomax require a lot of juice as well and as one forum member reminded me there is a trade off with higher power usually you get lower sensitivity PD obviously higher Sensi out of the bunch. Could also look at B&C,but the 18Sound will deffo do the job as the rest

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Originally posted by djkeet djkeet wrote:


This speaker (18Sound) will more than stand up remember the Void and Turbomax require a lot of juice as well and as one forum member reminded me there is a trade off with higher power usually you get lower sensitivity PD obviously higher Sensi out of the bunch. Could also look at B&C,but the 18Sound will deffo do the job as the rest


No.

Void V18-1000 is the most sensitive out of "The Bunch".

Still seems, people buy "big man drivers", and then try to power them with "little boy" amps.

You shouldn't buy Void, PD 185x, Turbomax, 18sound 18NLW9601, unless you have an amp, that can "really" deliver 1000w, 40-100hz, per 8 ohm driver.

Most sub amps advertise huge output figures, and simply can't do the above, @ 4 ohm stereo.

I've used Void Inf8Mk2, to power 2x 8 ohm 18sound 18NLW9601 per channel, in my Lev .44 Scoops, and the sub and throw was immense.

Match right driver, with right cab, right amp AND "Speaker Cable", and it all becomes quite easy.
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Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Originally posted by djkeet djkeet wrote:


This speaker (18Sound) will more than stand up remember the Void and Turbomax require a lot of juice as well and as one forum member reminded me there is a trade off with higher power usually you get lower sensitivity PD obviously higher Sensi out of the bunch. Could also look at B&C,but the 18Sound will deffo do the job as the rest


No.

Void V18-1000 is the most sensitive out of "The Bunch".

Still seems, people buy "big man drivers", and then try to power them with "little boy" amps.

You shouldn't buy Void, PD 185x, Turbomax, 18sound 18NLW9601, unless you have an amp, that can "really" deliver 1000w, 40-100hz, per 8 ohm driver.

Most sub amps advertise huge output figures, and simply can't do the above, @ 4 ohm stereo.

I've used Void Inf8Mk2, to power 2x 8 ohm 18sound 18NLW9601 per channel, in my Lev .44 Scoops, and the sub and throw was immense.

Match right driver, with right cab, right amp AND "Speaker Cable", and it all becomes quite easy.


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I couldn't agree more with the matching that is definitely the key. Are you familiar with the issue I am facing with my box itself? Could you lend a helping hand?
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Originally posted by MINTEVENTRESOURCES MINTEVENTRESOURCES wrote:



Lev

I couldn't agree more with the matching that is definitely the key. Are you familiar with the issue I am facing with my box itself? Could you lend a helping hand?


First thing, don't listen to people on here, who don't like Scoops, or Reggae Soundsystems/Reggae.

Next, like Bee said, 18LW1400 is pretty average in Scoops compared to other, superior drivers.

Before you go modifying Scoop, accept possibility your Scoop design might just be average, and maybe better you sell all of them, and just get better Scoops built.

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What is depth from Rear baffle to inside of front baffle, in mm?
What is the width from left to right, inside of chamber, in mm?
What is the length from top to bottom of rear baffle, in mm?

Is there just gap at bottom of rear baffle? if so what is height, in mm?

Before people start talking about reducing anything, and mods, is intelligent to know approximate volume of chamber first.
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First of all, put some picture here so people can see what is going on.
Second, 18LW1400 is not a bad driver, it is pretty much same thing with the RCF 18P300 that is one of the recommended drivers for the Rog's scoop.
Now it is outdated for sure, but for a moderate spl job it should do just fine.
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I  sugest that you alter the throat size step by step, till you find the right opening size and than fix the plate with overhang on the throat opening at the rear baffle. Any pictures yet to come?
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No.

Void V18-1000 is the most sensitive out of "The Bunch".

Rather than take the discussion away from the matter at hand Lev or anyone else can you explain to me why you feel that Void is the most sensitive as its common knowledge that its a greedy driver @ 97.7 PD 98 am I missing something or is there other data out there?
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Why do you think a driver's free air sensitivity matters once it is mated to a horn? It isn't working into free air anymore.
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Hello all , pictures and measurements coming shortly.
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