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Lev thanks again. For now I will have to keep the box. In time we shall build a better product. I shall keep you posted with any further results.
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I would look to close the throat opening a bit, the 9601 will give you more than your current driver, there is other cheaper driver options too, that would give you more. But a driver change alone wont cure your issues..
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Originally posted by bee bee wrote:

I would look to close the throat opening a bit, the 9601 will give you more than your current driver, there is other cheaper driver options too, that would give you more. But a driver change alone wont cure your issues..

I am open to all driver suggestions. I will take a look at closing the throat opening, combined with a dog leg, as well as a second baffle behind the first baffle. Closer to the dimensions of the super scoop. Shall you think it is a bad idea please advise. 
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very bad scoop design..you cant do much, to get good sound out from this. build a new scoop man..plenty good scoop designs out there on the web.


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omg what is this ?? what kind of strange chamber baffle is in there ! can you take a closer pic of the chamber ?

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What do you mean by strange chamber baffle? Did you view all of the pictures as I am sure its the viewing angle which is throwing you off. As explained earlier one of the issues is the length of the baffle. Is that what you are discussing? Furthermore, please keep in mind that I have listened to and played on a to of scoops. This box doesn't sound bad at all. I am merely looking for more output and pressure. I have heard many of the scoops that are discussed in this forum and they sound and look horrible. 



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Also ppls havent mentioned

we dont know all internals build iether, with delflector/s or none , how high/size that up angle panel goes,

there just more to it than just throat and rear baffle size, litres , neg/or uniformed horn path ect

i was gona say try and give it a go on that throat, but tbh, it looks very close to the front baffle,

so yu probley struggle to get one in, with hindering to get yu driver in

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ok i have just spotted the pics. The design does not really excel compared to contenders, i also see not really much hornlenght which is strange because it should equalize the bass frequencies more instead of the sub, means the opposite what you are telling us.

The 9601, if it fits and if you have the right amount of preferably class H/G or "best impedance" class D power will work in nearly every scoop, but i would also say rebuild to your drivers needs, or take the advice given and leave driver + design behind you.


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Originally posted by turbo7 turbo7 wrote:

ok i have just spotted the pics. The design does not really excel compared to contenders, i also see not really much hornlenght which is strange because it should equalize the bass frequencies more instead of the sub, means the opposite what you are telling us.

The 9601, if it fits and if you have the right amount of preferably class H/G or "best impedance" class D power will work in nearly every scoop, but i would also say rebuild to your drivers need


The box is most happy around 50s to 60s but plays full spectrum of 25 to 95 or so with no problems. No bottoming out. No farting. The box also doesn't sound slow like a lot of the scoops I have heard. It lacks one issue high pressure. I used 3 boxes and filled a 15,000 sq ft venue with bass without using my main tops with are JBL PD 6322. It's almost like the pressure is stuck in the box. With that said I will take a look at the throats and if all else fails use them as is. I will also try my Crown Itech HD amps on the box and see if there is a difference.
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its only 57 cm internal, too. A typical problem is: where does the horn start ? It probably is just more added volume to your rear chamber than you think... a bad rear chamber / throat match can result in up to about 20cm less hornlenght. if say, 200cm horn lenght, and 57cm wide, it is more of a small scoop with large throat and large rear chamber volume, and will loose very easy against f.ex. super scoop+v18


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If the pressure is 'stuck in the box' then you're likely losing loads of energy into the poorly braced cabinet.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JR.junior Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 April 2017 at 7:18am
scoops with a such big compression chamber have bad coupling to the air into the horn...need plenty of cone movement to get any spl.. starts pumping air efficient at relative higher frequencies, one noted scoop.
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