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Originally posted by MarjanM MarjanM wrote:

Just out of interest, whats the HDL6 price?


Ok. Actual List prices: (All prices are UK published RRP, + VAT)

HDL6-A - £1135
SUB 8004-AS - £2179
Fly Bar Complete; M20 sub top hat adaptor, Ground stack, fly and 35mm pole mount adaptor, certified flying shackle - £620
Pole Mount (Max 3 HDL6 on 35mm stick) - £193
Sub Covers - £95
Cart for moving max 6 coupled HDL6-A - £364.00
HDL6-A Connector rain covers (Pack of two, one for Power, one for XLR) - £64

Subject to a bit of fluctuation of GBP vs Euro, as invoiced from RCF SPA.

I got my own casters for the 8004-AS, as loads cheaper than RCF. I also got my flight cases for the HDL6-A, as open carts didn't fit with the way I store or move them. Swanflight did a nice one for us, 4 cases holding 3 HDL6-A each, with a dog box of sorts, to hold leads and flyware - £426.50 each + vat and pallet delivery. Ouch!

So, at least at "List", my new little rig adds up to £27K + VAT.

However, RCF UK did us a cracking deal, but we did pay up front, which always gets a few more points off.

If you compare this with QSC KLA12 (List £2200) or DAS Vantec 20A (List £2099), or even JBL VRX932LAP (List £3455), and their subs, QSC KLA181 (List £2288) and DAS 118A (List £2099), JBL VRX918SP (List £2260), and then look at flyware (KLA AF12 list is £880, and is fly only - and you can't change interbox angles-mewh-or use it for a ground stack), the RCF keeps looking more affordable. The KLA12 and Vantec 20A both feature integral 35mm Top hats, but you can only put a max of 2 onto top of a pole. RCF, with either re-purposed main fly bar, or optional dedicated pole mount flybar, does 3. And the RCF lets you change the angles to whatever you fancy, QSC KLA, JBL VRX9xx and Vantec20 is fixed interbox angles. Use the full RCF flybar and you can ground stack 6 max.

Equally, getting a RCF account gets you significant trade discounts, more than twice what others were offering. With QSC changing from Shure Distribution to AED or AudioLogic, margin/discount has disappeared, Leisuretec was best price for QSC! Damon was offering some interesting prices for DAS, and I have a Sound Technology account for JBL which offers similar discounts structure to RCF, but the RCF kept winning on functionality, as much as price.

The RCF will scale usefully past 3 boxes, whereas the KLA, VRX9xx and Vantec20A are a bit pointless at more than 2 boxes, as you can't change the interbox angles.

The problem with the JBL VRX9xx, QSCKLA12, DAS Vantec20A is best illustrated with a picture:

robbed from https://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/topic,146897.msg1378119.html#msg1378119


Maybe for covering stadium seating from pitchside, but bugger all use for anything else! Actually that is "rigged" correctly, and that is described in the JBL manual as the maximum ground stack config! Gawd only knows what you are supposed to do if it rains?

The RCF HDL6-a, whilst small drivers, will form any hang/ground stack you fancy to structural limits of flyware. The voicing of the box is as good as a 1x12"+HF, and SPL per box is same as anything else mentioned. I guess a lot has been "fixed" in DSP (Or whatever their FIR-Phase actually is), but it works.
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Good luck with it and may make you lot of money :-)

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Originally posted by MattStolton MattStolton wrote:


The RCF will scale usefully past 3 boxes, whereas the KLA, VRX9xx and Vantec20A are a bit pointless at more than 2 boxes, as you can't change the interbox angles.
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This is a total breaker.

How many modules need to be active and passive. And how with the competitive brands prices (active/passive modules).

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All the RCF HDL6-A and Sub 8004-SA are active.

It is a line array box, and you are free to +10/-7 deg, in 1 deg steps, inter box, just with tiny drivers. The HF is crossed to at 900Hz, so is doing a fair bit. Biamped and DSPed to make it all work.

All the other things at the price-point are fixed inter box angle, so 2, maybe three in a hang at best. But then you can't scale it much beyond what a K12/Ksub could do. K12/Ksub or mk2 equivalent are perfectly competent, as are DXR/DXS yammie, just will not scale bigger.

Proel Axiom did some similar stuff to the RCF, with an active, able to drive a second passive box, and had some interest in it, but hardware was not as flexible, only two could be pole mounted, and all other options were fly only. Most of my gigs will not have budget for flying.

Nexo did some interesting stuff, but money got a bit carried away. Martin mini MLA, same issue; great but money. I didn't bother looking at anything else with similar premium price tags!

EASE3 RCF data is freely available for messing around!
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Did you have a listen to Martin WPM Matt?

Can’t argue with RCF’s accessory pricing! Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by dylan-penguinmedia dylan-penguinmedia wrote:

Did you have a listen to Martin WPM Matt?

Can’t argue with RCF’s accessory pricing! Thumbs Up


How do you ground stack it? Most of my gigs don't run to fly points, or even to a couple of winch stands and a bit of truss hung between them.

Crap I know, but ground stack is my most common deployment.

And besides, the RCF gives "1 box resolution" as standard!
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Marjans line array on a stack of powersoft? I had a dream like that once. Very nice

Looks very wide and short,  hard to cover well? And do the acoustic pads help much? Looks like trying to do a gig in a tin barn!
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yeah looks like a lot of work went into treating the venue alright. good stuff.
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