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Hi. good to hear your perspective. Did you notice how Sinai were powering their subs. single channel or bridged? 8ohm or 4ohm drivers?

my take on the paraflex phenomenon from lurking on their FB page is that it's mostly based on apparently giving people something (the designs) for free, creating a social media community that excludes critical voices, and lots of hype and confirmation bias. in other words - a cult LOL
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Originally posted by snowflake snowflake wrote:

Hi. good to hear your perspective. Did you notice how Sinai were powering their subs. single channel or bridged? 8ohm or 4ohm drivers?

my take on the paraflex phenomenon from lurking on their FB page is that it's mostly based on apparently giving people something (the designs) for free, creating a social media community that excludes critical voices, and lots of hype and confirmation bias. in other words - a cult LOL

Hi Snowflake, I didn't ask about amp config and impedances.  I noticed that they appeared to be using half the channels on each of two Powersoft X8 amps, so maybe one bin per channel.  To be honest I'm sure with Hugh's experience he was running them properly, and you could smell his drivers a little so they were getting some power.

Regarding the second point I fear I have noticed similar things that point towards similar conclusions, I don't like it but it is not really any of my business.  Interesting to see others in the industry developing the same conclusions though.
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Originally posted by lickweed lickweed wrote:

Looks like 8 x 18" vs 3 x 21"




4 minis wud smoke both of them LOL  i have heard a paraflex rig the bass was weird dont like the sound dont sound rite in my opinion Dead
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Originally posted by jammin75 jammin75 wrote:

4 minis wud smoke both of them LOL  i have heard a paraflex rig the bass was weird dont like the sound dont sound rite in my opinion Dead

A wise man would check out his adversaries before picking his battles...  However, this thread is all about the Paraflex craze and I'm pleased to see you also share my opinions on them.
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Originally posted by jammin75 jammin75 wrote:

Originally posted by lickweed lickweed wrote:

Looks like 8 x 18" vs 3 x 21"




4 minis wud smoke both of them LOL  i have heard a paraflex rig the bass was weird dont like the sound dont sound rite in my opinion Dead

I've got two 10" tapped horns that would smoke both of them and your mini's ,  totally agree about the sound of the bass, at last we are hearing some honest opinions, that's how progress is made.


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volume displacement of 2*15" is similar to 1*21" but the total motor mass is greater.  with 8*15" drivers it looks like RC1 just brought far more sub....   
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Originally posted by kipman725 kipman725 wrote:

volume displacement of 2*15" is similar to 1*21" but the total motor mass is greater.  with 8*15" drivers it looks like RC1 just brought far more sub....   

With the greatest of respect, the question here is not why RC1 performed so well (although I'm always happy to accept compliments), but rather why the Paraflex didn't.  For their box volume they were unimpressive on SPL and couldn't play low sub notes and distorted/coloured the sound and response was all over the place.  RC1 had plenty of SPL, hit all the lowest notes, played clean and defined and had a fairly smooth response curve, RC1 is not the problem.
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Originally posted by snowflake snowflake wrote:

Hi. good to hear your perspective. Did you notice how Sinai were powering their subs. single channel or bridged? 8ohm or 4ohm drivers?

my take on the paraflex phenomenon from lurking on their FB page is that it's mostly based on apparently giving people something (the designs) for free, creating a social media community that excludes critical voices, and lots of hype and confirmation bias. in other words - a cult LOL

A cult that just removed a post pointing to this forum thread and then banned the guy from the Paraflex FB pages, the mind boggles.
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Originally posted by RC1 Sound System RC1 Sound System wrote:

Originally posted by kipman725 kipman725 wrote:

volume displacement of 2*15" is similar to 1*21" but the total motor mass is greater.  with 8*15" drivers it looks like RC1 just brought far more sub....   

With the greatest of respect, the question here is not why RC1 performed so well (although I'm always happy to accept compliments), but rather why the Paraflex didn't.  For their box volume they were unimpressive on SPL and couldn't play low sub notes and distorted/coloured the sound and response was all over the place.  RC1 had plenty of SPL, hit all the lowest notes, played clean and defined and had a fairly smooth response curve, RC1 is not the problem.

Totally agree, this thread that I started was not really about how well your rig performed, it was more about how the Paraflex rig didn't, how many drivers you had or amps you had is not really the point, the point is that the Paraflex community have been banding these designs around as if they are the holy grail, even if they had the same level of out put as you my opinion would be the same regarding the missing low notes and the very odd upper notes and the general sound of the bass cabs. 
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Concept-10, 

If anyone comes into a public group and spams by paste bombing the same message into several different comments sections (of different posts) all within the same minute or two you are going to be blocked from the group if the admins are doing their job ....  
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So don't bother trying to misrepresent what just happened . .
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Originally posted by MMJ of HOQS MMJ of HOQS wrote:

Concept-10, 

If anyone comes into a public group and spams by paste bombing the same message into several different comments sections (of different posts) all within the same minute or two you are going to be blocked from the group if the admins are doing their job ....  



His initial post pointing to this thread was declined so he put it on a couple of other posts, but whatever you say boss  Smile
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