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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Battered Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 December 2022 at 5:51pm
Originally posted by Amgine Amgine wrote:

Hi kinda nice to have just joined.
I must make one thing absolutely clear so there can be no misunderstanding of what I post. 

I post based on my academic knowledge of Spied Acoustics.
Empirical observation I can do by using my ears which although I am an old cantankerous getting closer to death which is a lot closer than birth. I been on this planet for some time now. I should get my OAP bus pass fairly soon.
I got Grandkids  &  and Great grandkids on the way.

So please do not for one minute I am a "Hater" a "Troll" 
Having a different opinion in a situation like this is a bit like being Peer Reviewed 
Topology analysis is my field.
In both Acoustics & Linear Electronics.
It took a while but I have studied both academically electronics is not something I do much of nowadays
I can hear fine but I have been wearing glass
Since age 40 so basically I can see it as well as I did.
But I can spot a mishammered Concert grand 
Apparently that is quite a feat as my internationally renowned piano tuner friend he is in the top 5 for tuning your priceless 400yr old piano type instrument  
I tell you this so you may understand I can hear very well 

I have studied the topology of Paraflex I not so au fait which which is  which but they function from common principles.
So really no differences in them at all from a principle standpoint.
It behaves just it's Topology dictates it must.
I find most things adhere to that  "Form follows Function"

Things or devices in this sound as the form dictates. 
If you have any reservations as to the validity of that I can offer further examples or explanation of this.

So Paraflex sound like Paraflex.

I have my doubts on the sonic abilities of Paraflex.
I would quite like to have the opportunity to try one out at my workshops.
I am as I know it would upset people due to their insistent request to base my opinion on actually having heard it.  
So I will offer no critique until I have
This is not really necessary for me but others think it is.

But if an observation is offered by the poster on this thread of what he finds.
A good design will stand scrutiny. And opinions positive or negative.
If banning such people for giving negative just that
It does not mean they are "Banned"silenced or disregarded

That was Twitter's biggest issue. 
I make at this point any agreement with anyone.
Seems the protocol requires I listen 1st
So I will asap I am sure Ben Wells can help there perhaps.

And bear in mind the truth is the truth even if it is an uncomfortable one



Is that you Rog? LOL
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Amgine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 December 2022 at 2:07pm
Hi kinda nice to have just joined.
I must make one thing absolutely clear so there can be no misunderstanding of what I post. 

I post based on my academic knowledge of Spied Acoustics.
Empirical observation I can do by using my ears which although I am an old cantankerous getting closer to death which is a lot closer than birth. I been on this planet for some time now. I should get my OAP bus pass fairly soon.
I got Grandkids  &  and Great grandkids on the way.

So please do not for one minute I am a "Hater" a "Troll" 
Having a different opinion in a situation like this is a bit like being Peer Reviewed 
Topology analysis is my field.
In both Acoustics & Linear Electronics.
It took a while but I have studied both academically electronics is not something I do much of nowadays
I can hear fine but I have been wearing glass
Since age 40 so basically I can see it as well as I did.
But I can spot a mishammered Concert grand 
Apparently that is quite a feat as my internationally renowned piano tuner friend he is in the top 5 for tuning your priceless 400yr old piano type instrument  
I tell you this so you may understand I can hear very well 

I have studied the topology of Paraflex I not so au fait which which is  which but they function from common principles.
So really no differences in them at all from a principle standpoint.
It behaves just it's Topology dictates it must.
I find most things adhere to that  "Form follows Function"

Things or devices in this sound as the form dictates. 
If you have any reservations as to the validity of that I can offer further examples or explanation of this.

So Paraflex sound like Paraflex.

I have my doubts on the sonic abilities of Paraflex.
I would quite like to have the opportunity to try one out at my workshops.
I am as I know it would upset people due to their insistent request to base my opinion on actually having heard it.  
So I will offer no critique until I have
This is not really necessary for me but others think it is.

But if an observation is offered by the poster on this thread of what he finds.
A good design will stand scrutiny. And opinions positive or negative.
If banning such people for giving negative just that
It does not mean they are "Banned"silenced or disregarded

That was Twitter's biggest issue. 
I make at this point any agreement with anyone.
Seems the protocol requires I listen 1st
So I will asap I am sure Ben Wells can help there perhaps.

And bear in mind the truth is the truth even if it is an uncomfortable one

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Haven't been on the forum in years, come back to ask a simple question and so pleased to see that there are threads like this keeping the old vibe strong

Almost brings a tear to the eye....

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Battered Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 December 2022 at 8:39pm
Originally posted by Robbo Robbo wrote:

When I view the new posts and pics on this post, all I seem to think about is Mr Flared Trousers for some reason----I don't know why but has anyone else had the same thoughts or do I need to see a shrink or maybe even dementia is setting in.

That’s exactly what I thought……along with, any minute now, threats of lawyer involvement will appear. LOL
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Originally posted by toastyghost toastyghost wrote:

Just a small update; T Willy has kindly shared his measurement data with me, and I’ve given it a look over. There are some trends present that I expected to see, but I want to gather my own data before drawing any conclusions.

Luckily, that might well be happening this weekend so… watch this space

Edit: in the meantime, some folk might have missed the discussion & modelling I did on the big boy Paraflex back at the start of this year. Here’s that old thread:
https://forum.speakerplans.com/skram-vs-c2e-subwoofers-info-research_topic106775.html

Did you get any testing done Kyle ?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote T Willy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 December 2022 at 1:32pm
Originally posted by toastyghost toastyghost wrote:

Originally posted by T Willy T Willy wrote:

Ok, let me rephrase this. Ears and objects. Ive had turntables placed directly behind the stack with no isolation pads and no issues while everything in front was knocked off shelves and what not. How ever you guys want to perceive this or start a disagreement war like the rest of this thread is, do your thing.
But id like to know what the test results find.


That might be something to do with the rather steep roll-off before the resonant frequency of the tone arm & chamber under the platter

Also there’s a whole wealth of psychoacoustic research and other fields that clearly show we are massively fallible & subject to bias. Particularly in the field of auditory masking, which is literally how lossy audio compression works. I’ve read too many books & spent too many hours on seminars with waaaay smarter folks than I to believe otherwise. Floyd Toole & Sean Olive call this the Circle of Confusion, and I fully recommend everyone interested in sound watch Toole’s presentation on YouTube about this sort of stuff.

I also know someone else has measured C2E Silver in equi-temporal alignment from the acoustic centre as I suggested back then, and found the rear rejection to be about the 5 dB I predicted. But since I have four microphones and an audio interface with 8 preamps, why not double check.


Thank you Toastyghost,
I'm not ruling out the possibility of psychoacoustics or cancellations. A legitimate test would be able to determine that. Instead of guesstimates, id like to see something solid. Really appreciate the time spent on this and look forward to your results!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote toastyghost Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 December 2022 at 7:42am
Originally posted by T Willy T Willy wrote:

Ok, let me rephrase this. Ears and objects. Ive had turntables placed directly behind the stack with no isolation pads and no issues while everything in front was knocked off shelves and what not. How ever you guys want to perceive this or start a disagreement war like the rest of this thread is, do your thing.
But id like to know what the test results find.


That might be something to do with the rather steep roll-off before the resonant frequency of the tone arm & chamber under the platter

Also there’s a whole wealth of psychoacoustic research and other fields that clearly show we are massively fallible & subject to bias. Particularly in the field of auditory masking, which is literally how lossy audio compression works. I’ve read too many books & spent too many hours on seminars with waaaay smarter folks than I to believe otherwise. Floyd Toole & Sean Olive call this the Circle of Confusion, and I fully recommend everyone interested in sound watch Toole’s presentation on YouTube about this sort of stuff.

I also know someone else has measured C2E Silver in equi-temporal alignment from the acoustic centre as I suggested back then, and found the rear rejection to be about the 5 dB I predicted. But since I have four microphones and an audio interface with 8 preamps, why not double check.

Edited by toastyghost - 01 December 2022 at 7:53am
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote sushi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 November 2022 at 9:03pm
Great to hear from you Toasty, totally waiting for the results of those measurements. And thank you for sharing the old thread i started almost a year ago, i thought about posting it on this one but got caught in a very busy working period and completely forgot to do it. Very interesting and valuable contribution of yours on that thread, as always!
Props!
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I wasn't disagreeing mate, just adding something
 You're certainly not wrong 
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Ok, let me rephrase this. Ears and objects. Ive had turntables placed directly behind the stack with no isolation pads and no issues while everything in front was knocked off shelves and what not. How ever you guys want to perceive this or start a disagreement war like the rest of this thread is, do your thing.
But id like to know what the test results find.
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