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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Adam_Iron_Horse Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 October 2013 at 1:23pm
Ok so,

This kit includes a 25W antex and a stand so thought it would make sense
http://cpc.farnell.com/antex/k682470/antex-sk6-soldering-iron-kit/dp/ANSK6

but I also saw this weller for £22 but its a 40W one,

are the cheaper wellers no good and should I just stick with the 25W antex?

Just thought the little bit more power might be useful

http://cpc.farnell.com/weller/sp40nuk/soldering-iron-40w-230v-uk/dp/SD01898
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Muckerbarnes1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 October 2013 at 1:34pm
That Weller looks like a chunk!
 
The Antex kit will be better at smaller jobs and has a stand.
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The new Wellers are crap by all accounts.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ceharden Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 October 2013 at 11:39pm
While I have a fancy high-wattage, temperature controlled iron on the bench, the one I carry in my toolbox for on-site or up-ladder soldering is an Antex 25W XS as already recommended.  Simple and effective for most jobs.

Keep an eye on ebay etc, you can sometimes pick up Weller TCP stations for reasonable money and you can still buy most of the spares.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Adam_Iron_Horse Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 October 2013 at 11:56pm
Looks like I'm gonna pick up one of those antex 25W with the kit seems to make sense for my uses,

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for the last 30 odd years I have had a Weller TCP. for me there is only one soldering iron to use a weller TCP they are without doubt the best iron change tips change temp or profile heat fast and good output mine has until recent times been in use everyday for almost all that time all the Bench Engs i know use Weller TCP's buy one thats it job done easy to fix when they fail which has not happened so far just new tips
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ebay item  300977465279
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or here is link for it damn may even buy it myself it is cheap!!!!!!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Weller-Soldering-Station-with-TCP-24V-Iron-/300977465279?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item4613a7a7bf
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I would say anything not temp controlled, by temp controlled, fixed like a tcp, doesn't a knob on it, is next to useless, you need a 50w if you are ever gonna solder 2x2.5mm onto a speakon, anything hung will wreck the job and give you a poor joint, but if you have no temp control the thing will overheat and oxide the solder on it in a few secs and you will solder the first pin of a connector real quick (like may melt the thing) and then be too cold on the last.

You need 50w min, wanna play with 4mm, more is ideal, and a thermostat to keep the thing from forming a mess.

For a bench the cheap thing I linked blows a 25w Antex out the water, get a TCP if you can be bothered to wait for the 'Bay, for your tool bag a gas jobbie is the way forward, I have 3 of these http://cpc.farnell.com/iroda/pro-50/solderpro-50-gas-soldering-iron/dp/SD01106 which are great, heat up quick and do from surface mount to 25mm2 earth lugs!!!
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What temp is good? I knwo you keep saying watts, but wouldn't a temp be more useful?

How hot is a 50w?

My B&D is 20w but does either 500 or 900 Degrees. Which I didn't believe til I tested it with one of those Fluke IR jobbies.

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my TCP is 50W works perfectly soldering 4mm to anything I have been soldering since age 7 i can do  an XLR without a Holder if needs be   my eyesight is making hard to do SMD nowadays I have in my youth Soldered all day long doing assembly I have done EDACS HARTING all manner of connectors worked all kinds of electronics Weller TCP for all of it would use anything else Antex and some of those cheap nasty gas things are a joke as a professional it for is a proper tool and a BIN for the price it is on ebay if he do not buy it I will for a second iron for my travel kit shame it's a 24V coz would prefer a 12V for that but it is cheap
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Weller TCPs will run from a 60w 19v laptop psu!!!!

Obviously not 50w anymore, but tbh, unless you are belting 2x6mm onto a spade they are fine.

The cheap gas ones are crap for production work but hanging upside down in a truss putting a 5xlr back on 5mins before the house opens, they beat a TCP every day of the week!!!!

As for Sam's point, he has highlighted exactly the reason you need temp controlled kit, a 20w will hit 900 deg, will drop to 700 as you tin it and 20secs later the solder has oxidised on the bit, I only use Savbit 60/40 and run around 325-350 deg C, this it way hotter than you need. 250 would do but that's how my tips are setup and I run like that, but my 100w irons are the same temp as the 50w as they are thermostatically limited, you need more watts to smash in the heat on big terminations, wet the joint, flow the solder and get out, quick, by the time a 25w iron has got 2x4mm upto the 250deg where you might make a joint the speak on it starting to change shape!!!

Soldering is about quick consistent joints, nice, high wattage irons let you do that, try soldering an AP-5 for your d&b rig with a 25w iron, you 4g4 will sink the heat out and the pin will fall on the floor before you get a joint I would be happy with...





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