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 Topic: Stanton Straight tonearm stylus sticks skipsPosted: 15 November 2017 at 5:40pm |
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Having problems like many others with stanton T62 straight arm turntable stylus sticks and gets stuck when playing 45 speed. 33 speed seem to be okay.
Had to replace stylus and cartridge to conical stylus but the tracking weight is recommended 2 grams maximum and it is a lightweight tonearm.The stylus is 0.6mm thick. Have adjusted to maximum 2.5g tracking force but still stylus still sticks. I have also moved cartridge up and down in the grooves to see if this helps play records properly
The turntable has no anti skating. What is best way to get this turntable to play records fully without stylus skipping or getting stuck. The cartridge and stylus cannot be aligned properly as Stanton does not supply alignment gauge or other specs. Stanton say on there website the headshell should be angled. Many people say do not angle the cartridge & stylus on straight tonearm and do not use elliptical stylus with straight arm is not recommended How do you angle the headshell to correct angling position on Stanton Headshell as there are no markings under the headshell to angle the cartridge although Stanton says there are markings on the underneath of the headshell to angle cartridge & stylus on a straight arm which is not really recommended although Stanton recommend having an angled stylus & cartridge on straight arm. Seems very conflicting. Which is correct? Can a conical stylus be angled in the headshell or should it be placed straight. Should i angle the conical stylus? Or could this damage records? Should elliptical stylus only be placed at an angle in headshell? Would alignment protractor help? Would a thinner needle help ? Can anybody recommend thin stylus and cartridge which is conical would this help? Edited by JAH - 15 November 2017 at 5:57pm |
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Posted: 15 November 2017 at 7:41pm |
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more weight is rarely the correct answer - cartridge alignment will certainly help ( with sound quality and wear too) and cheap, universal alignment protractors can be got on amazon etc. Tracking higher mass will not allow the cartridge suspension to operate as intended. Naturally the lack of anti-skate is not ideal.
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Posted: 15 November 2017 at 7:54pm |
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So should i not angle the cartridge & stylus in the headshell as Stanton says
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I think the stylus is not the problem because you say it is the same skipping / getting stuck with different needles - So this problem is more likely caused by the "tonearm base" spring for example. I think prolly the spring is stuck and not the needle - if the tonearm stops at the same point on 45 speed no matter what record or stylus then it is some fault in the tonearm mechanics even if u can move it by hand until the middle like it should be. The only straight player i know is a vestax one so i might be wrong
second problem is adjusting / aligning the stylus correct on recordplayer with different tonearms. The needle in theory should move in a straight line to the middle in 90degree over the hole record - then it is not distorting the sound and destroying the record&needle - with a normal S-tonearm you only can get a average but not 90 degree over the hole record, with straight-tonearm it is even worser the closer u come to the middle. So if u angle the needle u can get a closer average to the 90 degree optimum. U can make a raw alignment gauge by yourself finding the closest possible average to 90 degree by turing/angle-ing the stylus or with moving backward/forward on the headshell but with a straight tonearm you can only decide if the first third of the record plays allright or the second third - in the last area of the circle where only 45s will play it will allways sound shit no matter how u adjust the stylus even if it is not skipping - Thats at least what I experienced with a straight arm vestax with different needle adjustment. So Straight tonearm are only good if u are heavily scratching 12 inch records... Edited by Miles - 15 November 2017 at 8:02pm |
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Posted: 15 November 2017 at 8:06pm |
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Posted: 15 November 2017 at 8:12pm |
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Is pretty new turntable so spring should be okay hopefully would the cartridge protactor eliminate this problem where needle is mainly sticking half way through 45?
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Posted: 15 November 2017 at 8:21pm |
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Such a alignment protractors is a tool to set the needle right to get the best sound and minimizing vinyl wear in the first place. I think with this tool u will see how wrong the needle is at the middle of the circle with a straight arm and not angle-ing. So if u try to angle the needle to get closer to 90 degree in the middle it will be way off at the beginning but it will prolly give u a cm ore two more on a 45 but i dont know if it will be able to play the whole 45....
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Posted: 15 November 2017 at 8:59pm |
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If the turntable cannot even play a record fully without skipping or needle sticking what good is it to use for scratching.
Stanton then wants angled stylus to be placed in headshell to damage records and says there are markings on the underside of the headshell for the correct angle which is also false as there are no markings or slots for the cartridge to be angled on the underside of the headshell for this.
Straight arm turntables should not have this problem as the first turntables ever made had straight arms. Will try the protractor alignment
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Posted: 16 November 2017 at 11:49am |
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Sometimes you get this on vintage turntable ie from the 50s/60/s ect,
and it the bearing sometimes need cleaning on turntable pivot-arm bearings and if you get a slight resistance it can play you up and start skipping tbh imho had top range stantons str8 150s all sold now, nothing but trouble tbh, had technics 20 plus years not a single problem scrap the stantons man, go get 1200 TT |
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Posted: 17 November 2017 at 7:58pm |
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Upon trying to align with cartridge alignment protractor for a few hours i can now see why Stanton says the cartridge must be placed at an angle. When trying to align closer to spindle it is impossible to align the cartridge unless it is slanted at angle but then the outer alignment comes out of place.
This is the worst product ever Stanton needs to withdraw this rubbish product which cannot play records fully and cannot even align cartridge with protractor due to straight arm and then to align nearer to spindle you have to slant cartridge which will damage records on one side of the groove and even then still the cartridge is not aligned. Stanton needs help on how to design a proper turntable and straight arm alignment protractor. Edited by JAH - 18 November 2017 at 1:54am |
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Posted: 18 November 2017 at 12:05am |
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As i said bro,
scrap it
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Posted: 18 November 2017 at 1:29am |
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Aligned it using different method which sounded medium good. Then aligned again using another method and sounds very good even better now has stopped skipping and sticking only skips and gets stuck on scratched vinyl now. Only bought it as was brand new a direct drive turntable for £150.00 is very cheap but had non branded stylus not the Stanton one is supposed to come with.
Be careful if purchasing these turntables get sold at very low prices with other needles attached as the Stanton cartridge and stylus is very hard to find and not made anymore.
Not sure how to sort this out dont want to try this anymore. This is the worst alignment to do even with the protractor as protractor makes you angle cartridge. In the end i had to use the 2 set marking points and then align using 2 different methods to keep the cartridge straight now sounds very good. For some strange reason the sound quality from this Stanton deck is very very good much better then average. There must be a very special different alignment method to straight arm turntables and also totally different protractor especially for straight arm turntables. This is very hard to find information causing the problems. There is a post i came across regarding this but the information thread was deleted.
Edited by JAH - 18 November 2017 at 2:00am |
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