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    Posted: 15 September 2021 at 2:50pm
I've currently got two M-Audio BX-8 Carbons that I use for monitoring me having sex around doing DAWless jams with desktops synths and want to upgrade.

I want an improvement in sound quality more than anything else, but it would be nice to be able to turn the bass up and make a wee bit of noise sometimes which was why I was thinking small monitors plus a sub.  The space I'm going to be using is small too, about 2mx2mx2.5m, so small monitors with a sub tucked away somewhere seems to make sense.

Would the ADAM Audio T5V Studio Monitors with T10S Subwoofer actually represent an improvement or is that a sideways move?  I got the (brand new) M-Audio from someone who works for them for £100 each a while back which I knew was a good deal, but I'm a bity clueless otherwise. Do I need to be saving a few more pennies to get something like the  ADAM A5X Pair with the Adam Sub8 which is available as a bundle deal in places?

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I would go for the Adam A5X and sub. The AX series are stunning.
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It would be worth acoustically treating your space first IMO
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You’re going to be listening to the modal response of room for the low-mid and bass region - more than the speakers - regardless of whether you add a sub or not.

That’s because that’s a *really* small room and therefore the Schroeder frequency will be quite high:
https://www.soundandvision.com/content/schroeder-frequency-show-and-tell-part-1

If you calculate (or better, measure) the RT60 then you can determine the strongest modes using any number of calculators:
http://www.bobgolds.com/RT60/rt60.htm
http://www.mcsquared.com/modecalc.htm
https://www.acoustic.ua/forms/room-modes-eng.html

Adding effective treatment will help in the mid range, but you simply lack the space to do that for the bass region.

You may be able to achieve good results with multiple subs, each placed at different locations with their own processing:
https://youtu.be/SCWL-zusyqw

https://www.harman.com/documents/multsubs_0.pdf

https://www.andyc.diy-audio-engineering.org/mso/html/
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Ok that some very useful stuff there. I don't think of myself as a musician and |I'm not looking to create release quality recordings so such a small room is not the end of the world.  I just want the quality of the sound of my moronic terchno jams to be a bit better.

Between sales patter and what has been said above it does seem like Adam AX5s and a sub is probably the way to go.

I guess for the best sound I would want said monitors up in the far top corners pointing down towards the centre of the room?
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It's not about quality recordings; if you check the links, you're going to be looking at huge peaks and dips in the bass and low mid response at your listening position regardless of the speakers you use.

Adding a sub may not make things any better. Placement of the sub and integration will be vital to not excite the modal response of the room even further, on top of potential phase issues with the mains.

Treatment of the space with your current kit would be a far better use of your cash.
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I think headphones are going to give a much better result given the size of the room.
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Originally posted by godathunder godathunder wrote:

I think headphones are going to give a much better result given the size of the room.


It’s so small that I’m having a hard time picturing a desk & chair in there without feeling cramped - I hope the door opens outwards
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Originally posted by toastyghost toastyghost wrote:

You’re going to be listening to the modal response of room for the low-mid and bass region - more than the speakers - regardless of whether you add a sub or not.

That’s because that’s a *really* small room and therefore the Schroeder frequency will be quite high:
https://www.soundandvision.com/content/schroeder-frequency-show-and-tell-part-1

If you calculate (or better, measure) the RT60 then you can determine the strongest modes using any number of calculators:
http://www.bobgolds.com/RT60/rt60.htm
http://www.mcsquared.com/modecalc.htm
https://www.acoustic.ua/forms/room-modes-eng.html

Adding effective treatment will help in the mid range, but you simply lack the space to do that for the bass region.

You may be able to achieve good results with multiple subs, each placed at different locations with their own processing:
https://youtu.be/SCWL-zusyqw

https://www.harman.com/documents/multsubs_0.pdf

https://www.andyc.diy-audio-engineering.org/mso/html/
thanks toast (and others), hard to overstate how valuable your input is. just one example here. Hard to believe it's all free. 

At some point I'm going to filter all your posts on dsp/room corrections/time allignment etc. to get them in once place on the forum. 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sypa Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 September 2021 at 2:24pm
too small of a room in which a sub will only make matters worse , get a subpac and 5inch genelecs.
Or even the 8020s.


Edited by Sypa - 29 September 2021 at 2:25pm
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bams Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 September 2021 at 10:57pm
For my dayjob i sometimes do simple straightforward dB(A)- measurements indoor. If we cant measure 1,5m minimum from a wall we dont use such a room for measurements due to all the summing/cancellations going on bouncing around. So: first loads of room treatment, then new speakers would als be my idea. Adding second hand thick velvet curtains can mean a big difference and won’t break the bank.

Edited by Bams - 29 September 2021 at 10:59pm
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