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    Posted: 24 December 2006 at 12:26pm
Been hear Scoops for years now, & was thinking what could really be used under them, not over, to get more Sub bass, low-ness, depth.
 
I heard a double bandpass a few times a couple years ago, loaded with Void V-18 1000s, & at the time it sounded severly deep.
 
Rog later mentioned that there was a Void V18 (V18 1100BP I think) dedicated for the bandpass design, which was meant to sound even better than the V18 1000s, although I didn't get to hear it.
Not even sure if you can get the BP model now.
 
There must be other/better drivers out there what would perform very well in a bandpass box.
 
Then again I've been reading a lot about the Planar Wave Horn.
 
Will this design play deeper than Scoops ?
 
Any ideas/recommendations/suggestions ?
 
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How about PD2150 in a bandpass,?
or PD2450 in a reflex?
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Originally posted by soundsystemdan soundsystemdan wrote:

How about PD2150 in a bandpass,?
or PD2450 in a reflex?
 
Funny you should say that Dan, but the same time & heard the double 18'' bandpass, I also heard a bandpass box loaded with a single P.audio SD21 driver.
 
The double 18's sounded deeper. (Is that obvious as moving more air ?)
 
Never heard a 24'' Reflex yet.
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Originally posted by Tekasis Tekasis wrote:

Originally posted by soundsystemdan soundsystemdan wrote:

How about PD2150 in a bandpass,?
or PD2450 in a reflex?
 
Funny you should say that Dan, but the same time & heard the double 18'' bandpass, I also heard a bandpass box loaded with a single P.audio SD21 driver.
 
The double 18's sounded deeper. (Is that obvious as moving more air ?)
 
Never heard a 24'' Reflex yet.
 
ASS scoops, and then you wouldn't need anything below them as they go to 30hz.
 
Or double 18 reflex are used a few times with reggae sound systems for deep bass.
 
 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by Tom Umney Tom Umney wrote:

 
ASS scoops, and then you wouldn't need anything below them as they go to 30hz.
 
Or double 18 reflex are used a few times with reggae sound systems for deep bass.
 
 
Do they really ? where you get that from Toxic ? Is that PD1850 loaded or B&C or something ?
 
So if Iration for Instance comes in the Rec with 12 ASS boxes, what you're saying is they'll sound even heavier than using Shortmans boxes ?
 
When I see people cussing scoops I never see them mention ASS as an exception. Although I keep hearing they are good.
 
What sound systems out there use reflex's ?
 


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Originally posted by Tekasis Tekasis wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Umney Tom Umney wrote:

 
ASS scoops, and then you wouldn't need anything below them as they go to 30hz.
 
Or double 18 reflex are used a few times with reggae sound systems for deep bass.
 
 
Do they really ? where you get that from Toxic ? Is that PD1850 loaded or B&C or something ?
 
So if Iration for Instance comes in the Rec with 12 ASS boxes, what you're saying is they'll sound even heavier than using Shortmans boxes ?
 
When I see people cussing scoops I never see them mention ASS as an exception. Although I keep hearing they are good.
 
What sound systems out there use reflex's ?
 
 
Yeah Iration would be even heavier if he used 12 PD1850 loaded ASS scoops.
 
Jah Observer uses both reflex and scoop. Sometimes only scoop.
Jah Observer's quad 18 inch reflex box he uses at Notting Hill Carnival drops to like 25hz. Serious deep bass.
 
And Disciples [when they had a sound system] used to use double 18 reflex and 18 inch scoops. And I remember their double 18 inch reflex were very deep.
 
Jah Shaka uses a really decent double 18 inch reflex and sometimes quad 18 inch reflex. They go well deep when driven by valves. But lack the bass impact of scoops.
But Jah Shaka is much more about the wicked tunes, and a warm sounding system which never hurts your ears.
 
Mostly ever other reggae sound system I've heard/felt play use scoops.
 
I can't remember off hand what Stur Gav,Jack Ruby,Saxon Sound System,R.D.K HIFI use. As it was like 7 or 8 years ago since I've heard them play.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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2 sounds I hear that are heavy & one or both of them has used 21'' boxes (I think ASS) is Hytal Bosrah & Jungle Man.
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if you need sub's to go under scoops you have a problem somewhere
 
try a big bump "63" on your eq then slope off gradually either side watch your window's though
 
sorry tom! just seen some more bull from you, get your fact's right before you put stuff up like ASS scoop's go to 30hz


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Originally posted by mykey mykey wrote:

if you need sub's to go under scoops you have a problem somewhere
 
try a big bump "63" on your eq then slope off gradually either side watch your window's though
 
sorry tom! just seen some more bull from you, get your fact's right before you put stuff up like ASS scoop's go to 30hz
 
STFU 
 
One goes to 35hz, 4 or more go to 30hz.
 
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    I'm sorry to say if your putting a big bump at 63hz then your not understanding the question. 63hz is what pop music's bass is tuned to, it is most certainly not sub nor particualy close to it.
     
    "sorry tom! just seen some more bull from you, get your fact's right before you put stuff up like ASS scoop's go to 30hz"
     
    What sort of comment is that to make, manners cost nothing.
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    Originally posted by specialjustin specialjustin wrote:

    I'm sorry to say if your putting a big bump at 63hz then your not understanding the question. 63hz is what pop music's bass is tuned to, it is most certainly not sub nor particualy close to it.
     
    "sorry tom! just seen some more bull from you, get your fact's right before you put stuff up like ASS scoop's go to 30hz"
     
    What sort of comment is that to make, manners cost nothing.
     
    Yeah on the Graphic EQ: 31.5hz is almost rumble[I wouldn't boost 31.5hz as it bottoms out most speakers].
    40hz is deeeeep bass, 50hz is deep bass, 63 hz is not that deep. 80hz is where the lower sounding kick bass is.100hz is mid sounding kick
    125hz is the upper tapping kick.160hz is the boomy upper bass.
     
    However I've never been sucessfull setting a Graphic EQ to get a forcefull bass without it damaging the speakers from over excersion.
     
    I prefer a Parametric EQ to do dramatic bass boosting with. 
    As had much less trouble with cones going over excersion when I used a parametric EQ compaired to a graphic EQ.
     
    Graphic EQ is better left for fine tuning room adjustments and system fine tuning adjustments.And good for ringing out the room with a mic pointed at the monitors, to reduce feedback.
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     


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    i have checked the web sight any body can right what they want the proof is in the pudding iv'e heard them, to get that frequency at a good volume you would have to have a much larger scoop
     
    the level at that frequency is so low it's  hardly worth mentioning
     
    reallyspecialjustin! i didnt realise you were so sensitive miss
     
    it's just that im fed up with this sight lately giving false information to newbies
     
    and if you read it correctly it says ......slope off gradualy
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