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Tom Umney 
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 Posted: 28 December 2006 at 10:52am |
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I've heard ASS scoop copies loaded with PD1850 [my m8s ones] and they go down to rumbling bass which is around 30hz.
Also the ASS website doesn't lie. Would like to see you argue that with the guys at ASS. As you would be told to piss off.
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biotec
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Posted: 28 December 2006 at 11:29am |
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the fact that they recommend the high-pass should be set at 30Hz to 35Hz does not mean that that is where the -3db point is. I find it VERY hard to believe that they play that low with any kind of volume without a huge number of them. People would not build labhorns and cut them off at 35Hz if scoops went lower. Without a decent RTA analysis I'm afraid all you have to go in your perception of what 30Hz bass sounds like.
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specialjustin
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Posted: 28 December 2006 at 11:44am |
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"reallyspecialjustin! i didnt realise you were so sensitive miss
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I didnt realise you are such a........
Really though misinformantion or not, manners cost nothing, why you tryin to stir it up?
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Tom Umney
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Posted: 28 December 2006 at 12:44pm |
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Scoops unlike horns don't need to be used in a large number.
Just 4 of Iration Steppas scoop bins in a stack gave really thunderous bass at the Rec.
Just 2 of my m8s ASS copy scoops loaded with PD1850 rumbled and gave enough bass to shake his garage he was testing them in. The side panels and corragated metal garage door of the garage were rattling like some hurricane was in there.
And that wasn't even at full, about half way up in volume.
Rumbling bass is around 30-35hz and it was loud.
If he played it full in there, everything would have fallen over and broken and his neighbours would have probably killed him.
Thats why I keep telling him to use those ASS scoops he got at a dance. I'd love to see what destruction they can do at full power.
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Posted: 29 December 2006 at 11:01am |
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mykey, & biotec is correct.
Scoops cannot deliver 30 hertz efficiently in-groups of 8 much less with 2 boxes. The Laws of Physics won’t allow it. Scoops no matter who designs it won't deliver 35 - 30 Hz with a significant amount of output. If you want to prove us wrong, post the SPL vs Frequency charts of the A.S.S. Scoops. Best Regards, |
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Static Age
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Posted: 29 December 2006 at 11:10am |
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the ASS website claims the scoops play upto 800hz but i very much doubt they sound any good at that end of the spectrum either.
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Posted: 29 December 2006 at 7:28pm |
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Agreed. We all know specs can be very misrepresentative. Sure you'll get 800Hz out of them, but its goiung to sound BAD. Anyone can say a speaker plays to 30Hz, but at what output compared to the rest of the band?
The fact Toxic perceived the bass to be low and rumbly is pretty meaningless. Apart from my lack of faith in his ability to guage frquency accurately with nothing but his ears and his mates garage walls as measuring instruments, I also know that all scoops start to sound "rumbly" when you start boosting frequencies below their real capabilities. Lots of people find the sound of over excursion and unloading of the cone very impressive. The distortion convinces them that the low frequency is loud, the whole B-line becomes muddy and undefined. If thats what you like, great, but you'll probably be reconing quite regularly...
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Tom Umney
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Posted: 29 December 2006 at 7:56pm |
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That sounds to be more accurate as without a frequency graph I can't be 100% certain. Except why do they say on the ASS website that they go to 35hz then? Maybe thats a -10db reading I guess.
But my m8s 2 PD1850 loaded ASS scoop copies certainlly sounded as low as 35hz ish.
As I could hear the different tones of the bass on a certain track with bass guitar on it and seemed very deep to me.
As the bass on its deepest point in the track turned into rumble and vibrations and not so much you could hear, more feel.
Maybe more like 40hz then?
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levyte357
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Posted: 29 December 2006 at 11:47pm |
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Fact of the matter is I have heard from enough people (including two guy's who own PA Hire companies) that ASS scoops (RX18's) with 1850's are the best scoops out there. Until I get my four, I am willing to accept the word of my PA snob, who has access/exposure to top stuff out there, and knows what real sub sounds like. He has told me, 4 1850 ASS scoops in a stack will drop to at least 40hz with more output than any other single driver "current" horn cab of comparable dimensions and input power. Including 4 WSX's. So very shortly, I'll be putting my money where my mouth is, and purchasing 4 RX18 Clones.. Anyone got 4x 1850 drivers, to help finish this debate once and for all? Edited by levyte357 - 29 December 2006 at 11:51pm |
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Posted: 29 December 2006 at 11:51pm |
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The only thing that could maybe beat 4 ASS scoops loaded with PD1850 is 4 Lab Horns. Except I've never heard Lab Horns, but I've been told they go very low and loud.
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There was a sub clash on Prosoundweb (lab sub home site) between 8 labs (don't forget 16 drivers) and 10 18" Superscoopers. The scoops were found to be louder, but the labs were deeper. However the labs blew most of their drivers trying to keep up with the scoops. Can't remember web page, link, author,date. But I did read it and will find link after some searching. Edited by levyte357 - 30 December 2006 at 12:14am |
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mykey
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Posted: 30 December 2006 at 7:55am |
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i've had everyones scoops in my workshop a few years back on a signal generater , apart from the super of course
most of them couldnt get to 40 let alone 30/35
i dont think you know what a true 30/35 for that fact even a true 40hz sounds like toxic "it's scarey" trust me
you all keep going on about ASS scoops and how good they are if thats a fact why are people selling them
looking at Rog's superscooper drawing tell's me this would be a far better option
every time i have heard ASS scoops they sounded cold even Larry Mr Dub scoops sounded warmer
the thing that piss's me off is when people like toxic read stuff take it for granted then put it up here for all the newbies to be miss informed
toxic....from 40 to 35 is a long long way when it comes to horns trust me
for the ASS to get to 35 or whatever it is you READ it would have to be as big as Jack in the beanstalk's WARDROBE. think you should listen to me and Biotec in future
edit.. sorry toxic mist this one.....you have just said 30hz, you heard it rumbling at 30hz? you got to stop doing this
you wouldnt hear 30 anyway you would feel it, and if it was doing it decently you would have come on here ranting and raving about it
i have only experianced it once and i have been in the game for longer than you have existed and i can tell you i almost sh*t myself
 tell your m8 to go hire or buy a signal generater and do a sweep around 30 and them scoops will still be asleep  , come on i challenge you and your m8 i'll put everything i own on itEdited by mykey - 30 December 2006 at 8:05am |
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