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i personally quite liked Ballistic Rootikals shortman minis at "the soundclash" at Golden Palace in 2013/14?.. not the loudest cabs that night/in general but really nice and warm solid basslines compared to the others..

if i remember rog and theorie correctly - most minis are rather expo port reflex than real scoops as the hornpath is simply too short to act/work as a proper, low tuned, horn part but done right they are well working/non chuffing reflex cabs at least, guess the main issue is getting the driver/chamber matched to the desired tone and spl..
Higher qts drivers in larger chambers will sound warmer and do more low notes more efficiently by nature, yet need a strong suspension and force(b/l) to stay under control at large signals, those shortmans for example did sound rough/at the edge of loosing control at times but thats the price you pay for that sort of sound imo.. if you know about it and are able to stay within limits - all good..

(i personally swapped drivers in my sub cabs for some more robust ones for example, lost some tiny bit of lowend but gained so much more spl and impact that its been worth it, note, same amps used so basically pretty much the same power provided..)

lower qts and smaller chamber using "real horn loading, higher tuning" is what is mostly prefered though, at least in most reggea/Dub soundsystems aifaik, for sheer spl/brute force, nowhere near the warmth or real depth/low notes but much louder 40/45ish hz up., for me a typical "hooligan" sound setup, you can tear almost any 300cap place apart with 4 cabs but its not really pleasant imo, not long therm.. nor really safe technically, mismatched driver and tuning/chamber could lead to dead coils quickly playing sine waves at the centre cab+driver tuning/least cone movement+eq and too much power.. its harder to hear the actual point of overdoing it imo, all seems fine till the coil gives up.. thats the price you might pay for that sort of sound on the other hand..

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Originally posted by bass*en*mass bass*en*mass wrote:

i personally quite liked Ballistic Rootikals shortman minis at "the soundclash" at Golden Palace in 2013/14?.. not the loudest cabs that night/in general but really nice and warm solid basslines compared to the others..

Yes it was 5/6 Jan 2014 'SoundSystem Sound off' a David and Goliath situation where people didn't even hide their shame lol but were openly measuring the 'Shortmans' with their hands, people could not believe what was happening we all chat till the cows come home, some swear Black is Blue but you cant beat real world stuff.



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Were never on the edge they were hardly moving. Joker sp comments as usual. If u were at the southall amp test u wud have seen just how much the driver cud move in the cab and how much air it cud push out. Gp were moving maybe half as much as that. I have to laugh. Only thing on the edge were the 1050w per channel amps used especially with gains not opened full. But sufficed enough to not need turning up more as they proved themselves. Hence not plugging them into the inf8 that was sitting there lol. If in doubt bring a sound out and book the date.
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Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Originally posted by SouthwestCNC SouthwestCNC wrote:


This begs the question what are the miniscoops useful for?


Not sure.

The best miniscoops out there currently, are Shortman/Marvin/QSS.



ass jr is up them 3 easyly,..defo think its a perfect scoop for the bc sw driver,.
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Well it wasnt the 3 times he brought them to gp, or the southend demo, or when southend crew played them in dub bunker.
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Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Was long time thinking of making 21" version of  Martin WSX, but when I heard 12 21" Folded horns, pretty much fail to hit below 50hz with SPL, I decided not to.

Some people happy with Folded Horns playing Reggae, but I can guarantee it's not the dub crowd, who absolutely, definitely want to hear 40hz with huge SPL, as opposed to 55hz.

EDIT:Won't even mention the Dub Reflex crew, who want huge SPL, at 30hz!!!

LOL

king earthquake is well heavy weight with folded horns so they can drop lower than the 55hz you mentioned,,& 2 em quakes will drop lower than 2 scoops without breakin a sweat,.tryd & tested,,but i do still prefere scoops for that natural roll..
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Let's agree, people have different ideas of "well heavy".

Some people think uber amounts of 55hz is well heavy, and uber amounts of 40hz, is wobbly bass.


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55hz is too high for disco LOL
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Originally posted by jammin75 jammin75 wrote:

55hz is too high for disco LOL


Buy the wrong bass amp, and that's where all your energy will be, unless you want to barbeque amp!!

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Iration Steppers souded heavy last night, using Cutty's desgn. Not scoops though. I think some hybrid band pass. Was doing the bizzness.....
A friend I was there with was impressed by the punch of kick drum, me the low end weight, so best of both worlds. Çould easily see them good with many genre's of music.


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I wasnt there but ao far have only heard pure 60hz pressure fr9m that sound using them. So backs up levs point qbout one mans heavy isnt the same as another. The othet crew usin them crazy 50hz pressure. Goes down to 40 but only pressure at the higher 50 when they play.
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