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Disco Stu
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Posted: 15 April 2005 at 7:23am |
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Lol and whats with the xmax of 0.75" thats a bit non standard innit i thought we all measured it in mm these days get with the times parts express! Vd is low also so no grunt below 45Hz Stu |
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Posted: 17 April 2005 at 1:16am |
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err,isnt 3/4 inch 19mm? how can you get a low vd with 19mm xmax? or
even 9.5mm each way(not sure how this one's measured)on a 21" driver!
Qts though is definately on the far too high side,I've seen 8" twin
cone in roof jobs with qts the same!
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Posted: 06 May 2005 at 2:39pm |
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hi,i'm french & i've got a very bad english so sorry...In france,Precision Device is not distributed(and i think it's very expensive)I want to make some super scooper. What sort of speaker can i take?Is eminence omega pro's good?P audio c18-650el?Theirs caracteristics as not exactely the same as Pd 1850 so please help Me!!!
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Disco Stu
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Posted: 08 May 2005 at 3:53pm |
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The reason precision devices are so expensive is because they are GOOD!!!! However I too think they are overpriced. Dom uses the PD186 in his scoops so go on the precision devices website www.papl.co.uk and look at the T/S parameters and then find one with similar and should work ok Stu |
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Disco Stu
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Posted: 08 May 2005 at 3:56pm |
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Oh yes and you might want to look at these scoops also http://groups.msn.com/SpeakerBuildingpics/shoebox.msnw?actio n=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=18 They are for 15" drivers. Im not sure of the recommended drivers but im sure staiper can tell you if you send him a PM Stu |
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Posted: 08 May 2005 at 4:46pm |
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P.Audio C15-650EL. The C18-650EL and the Emmi Omega (I think) are also suitable for horn-loading.
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james folkes
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Posted: 10 May 2005 at 1:29pm |
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in terms of bang for buck the fane 18 xb has a long history of usage in
dub and reggae sound's scoops. i think that they have a lovely rich and warm tone, and have heard others say the same. if i was to build scoops now though staiper's 15s would be the ones. james. |
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moss
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Posted: 02 June 2005 at 4:33pm |
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will the fane 18xb be suitable in the superscooper tho?
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tb_mike
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Posted: 05 June 2005 at 11:03pm |
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PD might be expensive because they dont pay their workers in thailand 2cents per hour.. Note that when Ive modeled front loaded rear sealed horns,these drivers DONT work well on scoops-the reponse turns into a rippley mess,meaning its not well matched to the horn. Instead I used MLUTIL and found driver which instead provides its own damping by its suspension(spider) on AA 'GM' posted the ideal driver for a old bassmaxx/scoop cabinet.
Are the t/s specs similar to the driver used in the superscooper?
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tb_mike
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Posted: 05 June 2005 at 11:05pm |
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You never know til you model it.ive seen kicker 15"s with Qts 0.7 look fine and nonresonant in HORNRESP. |
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Posted: 06 June 2005 at 4:04am |
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It's all about the motor strength for bass horns (the other parameters
are nice for HF extension or findign an optimum) but I wouldn't expect
a kicker driver to hold it's motor strength linearily for too much
excursion and mike will well know what happens when you model up a
Motor strength <5 (using square root formula) in most bass horns.
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Dom
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Posted: 06 June 2005 at 6:17pm |
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To be honest, I put 4 superscoopers in a club, 2 have PD186s in and went into one room, 2 have PD1850s and went into another room, people have moved the cabs about and I'd be hard pushed to tell you which cab is which these days. 1850s and 186s are pretty different drivers... Perhaps I'm just going deaf though. |
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