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Lol and whats with the xmax of 0.75" thats a bit non standard innit i thought we all measured it in mm these days get with the times parts express! Vd is low also so no grunt below 45Hz

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err,isnt 3/4 inch 19mm? how can you get a low vd with 19mm xmax? or even 9.5mm each way(not sure how this one's measured)on a 21" driver! Qts though is definately on the far too high side,I've seen 8" twin cone in roof jobs with qts the same!
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hi,i'm french & i've got a very bad english so sorry...In france,Precision Device is not distributed(and i think it's very expensive)I want to make some super scooper. What sort of speaker can i take?Is eminence omega pro's good?P audio c18-650el?Theirs caracteristics as not exactely the same as Pd 1850 so please help Me!!!
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Originally posted by benja benja wrote:

In france,Precision Device is not distributed(and i think it's very expensive) Is eminence omega pro's good?P audio c18-650el?Theirs caracteristics as not exactely the same as Pd 1850 so please help Me!!!

The reason precision devices are so expensive is because they are GOOD!!!! However I too think they are overpriced. Dom uses the PD186 in his scoops so go on the precision devices website www.papl.co.uk and look at the T/S parameters and then find one with similar and should work ok

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Oh yes and you might want to look at these scoops also

http://groups.msn.com/SpeakerBuildingpics/shoebox.msnw?actio n=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=18

They are for 15" drivers. Im not sure of the recommended drivers but im sure staiper can tell you if you send him a PM

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P.Audio C15-650EL. The C18-650EL and the Emmi Omega (I think) are also suitable for horn-loading.
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in terms of bang for buck the fane 18 xb has a long history of usage in
dub and reggae sound's scoops. i think that they have a lovely rich and
warm tone, and have heard others say the same.

if i was to build scoops now though staiper's 15s would be the ones.

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will the fane 18xb be suitable in the superscooper tho?
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PD might be expensive because they dont pay their workers in thailand 2cents per hour..

Note that when Ive modeled front loaded rear sealed horns,these drivers DONT work well on scoops-the reponse turns into a rippley mess,meaning its not well matched to the horn. Instead I used MLUTIL and found driver which instead provides its own damping by its suspension(spider) on AA 'GM' posted the ideal driver for a old bassmaxx/scoop cabinet.

Quote will the fane 18xb be suitable in the superscooper tho?

Are the t/s specs similar to the driver used in the superscooper?

 

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Originally posted by whitehousejamie whitehousejamie wrote:

A Qts of 0.98 suitable for a Scoop? More like the boot of a car.

You never know til you model it.ive seen kicker 15"s with Qts 0.7 look fine and nonresonant in HORNRESP.

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It's all about the motor strength for bass horns (the other parameters are nice for HF extension or findign an optimum) but I wouldn't expect a kicker driver to hold it's motor strength linearily for too much excursion and mike will well know what happens when you model up a Motor strength <5 (using square root formula) in most bass horns.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dom Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 June 2005 at 6:17pm

To be honest, I put 4 superscoopers in a club, 2 have PD186s in and went into one room, 2 have PD1850s and went into another room, people have moved the cabs about and I'd be hard pushed to tell you which cab is which these days.  1850s and 186s are pretty different drivers... 

Perhaps I'm just going deaf though.

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