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sushi ![]() Registered User ![]() Joined: 27 March 2012 Location: Milan Status: Offline Points: 82 |
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FOO ![]() Young Croc ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 December 2018 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 635 |
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Underpowered, Vs equal Vs overpowered amps is a no-brainer.
Headroom is a absolute must! I am running LAB 12K44 on comps. Insane overkill, but i still havent seen a law that say "you shall always run flat-out" ![]() Its all about limiters. Simple as that. You need 1000watts? Get 2000
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VECTORDJ ![]() Registered User ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 June 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 464 |
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Love this stuff about overpowering woofers....Call VECTORSONICS (Auburn, Maine USA) for recone work...Thanx, VECTORDJ
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sushi ![]() Registered User ![]() Joined: 27 March 2012 Location: Milan Status: Offline Points: 82 |
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Right, i actually run my speakers with oversized amps several times. There are some details that can vary the amount of power a speaker can absorb though: How are limiters set? How long are they playing? Is the heat inside the chamber dissipated in some way? I'm pretty sure the musical program can make a difference too... to make it short, a 36 hours party with fast and bass-heavy tekno music, mostly played by non-professional artists, with a diy rig sometimes controlled by non-professional crews, could be really different in terms of performance and results than the average concert a pa tech is used to. I would not suggest a stranger to overpower his own gear without knowing any detail or his skills level.
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FOO ![]() Young Croc ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 December 2018 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 635 |
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Are you serious??? Wasting energy just because the Amp might be way bigger than needed? Its All about headroom dude.. and control.. If one cant run a rig with double or tripple the needed power, without burning coils to a crisp, one simply shouldnt Touch pro audio gear
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sushi ![]() Registered User ![]() Joined: 27 March 2012 Location: Milan Status: Offline Points: 82 |
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![]() About the last question on the thread, i'm afraid i tested the N401s in theese cabs for too short time and too low volume to feel like having an opinion. However, i think a K6 amp would barely drive the mentioned rcf speakers over their rms power.. while a K20 would be blowing the cones out, if not kept under control.. i say: why not considering the K10?? I think it could be the best solution, with 2x6kw 2ohm (6 cabs).. it would drive them harder than the K6 but without reaching their limit, and not wasting that much energy you could not use from the K20. Edited by sushi - 07 March 2021 at 7:13pm |
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skankinmoe ![]() New Member ![]() Joined: 23 February 2020 Status: Offline Points: 9 |
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I can feel with you sushi, building these beasts is way harder then it looks...
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bass*en*mass ![]() Old Croc ![]() ![]() Joined: 03 September 2009 Location: "unknown" Status: Offline Points: 4009 |
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Lev, with a K20 you could damage those V18s, in such a FLH, without proper limiting, quickly..
RMS power handling is pretty small in that small backchamber ;) Peak, excursion limited, handling too, depending on stack size etc. its not as trivial as simply going for the `best/biggest`guns imo |
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levyte357- ![]() Old Croc ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 July 2012 Location: UK, South East Status: Online Points: 7518 |
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People must stop believing the quoted power of lightweight amplifiers is truth, they are burst figures, often quoted at 1khz, which gives no idea of true power at sub frequencies. Would suggest K20. Will drive 6-8x V18-1000/PD1850 adequately, if you are not seriously boosting 40hz, and have decent mains supply/power cable/speaker cable. Know this, because I've seen it done repeatedly, as opposed to just reading quoted specs. Edited by levyte357- - 22 February 2021 at 9:56am |
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Global Depopulation - Alive and Killing.
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bass*en*mass ![]() Old Croc ![]() ![]() Joined: 03 September 2009 Location: "unknown" Status: Offline Points: 4009 |
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Are there no hornresp input sheets available to sim both options?
(or measurements?) Based on those drivers specs i`d guess the V18-1000 would be a better choice. K3s should be fine, flhs dont need that much headroom anyways imo as the small chamber/heat will be an issue with too much, not properly managed power available..
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bassaddicted ![]() New Member ![]() Joined: 27 November 2020 Status: Offline Points: 1 |
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Hey We will make 6-8 SBH. I have 2 questions about this: I have the choice between Void V18-1000 and RCF LF18N401. Which one would you choose? Genre: DnB € Tekno Which power amplifier would you use? I thought of 2 x Powersoft K3 with 2x2600W @ 4Ohm (highest level of K3)
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sushi ![]() Registered User ![]() Joined: 27 March 2012 Location: Milan Status: Offline Points: 82 |
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To be honest, we cut and doweled panels with a 3 axis cnc. We just had to cut angles on the edges, trying to be precise and maintain the right lenght, expecially with those which made the rear chamber.. we had to cut some panels 2 or 3 times before all was perfect.
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