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    Posted: 08 October 2017 at 5:09pm
Channel 2 starts clipping at pretty low power, somewhere around 50Watts. Power output is low. Ch1 is working properly anyway.  I tested it with stereo and bridge mode, no difference.  Bridge mode gives much less output power than ch1 alone. 


Anyone familiar with such a problems?  





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Because the circuit is a fairly simply class B design, low power clipping is normally down to a output or driver transistor fault, i assume you have checked internal fuse etc ??, are they intact ???. Because there is an op-amp pre-driver chip check that this also has the correct voltages on pins 4 & 8 (normally 12 or 15 volts).


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Originally posted by simonp1100 simonp1100 wrote:

Because the circuit is a fairly simply class B design, low power clipping is normally down to a output or driver transistor fault, i assume you have checked internal fuse etc ??, are they intact ???.

it's class H design.  Well I have to check out all the internal fuses.. 
One thing came to my mind, because of class H design there is possibility that amplifier is not switching to upper supply voltage.

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Yes, your correct it's a class H, have you checked the output devices, this normally is the first thing i would check along with fuses. As regards not switching over to the higher rail this can be seen if you have a scope.

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and for goodness sake dont try using it in bridge if it isn't capable of working correctly in Stereo.
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Originally posted by kedwardsleisure kedwardsleisure wrote:

and for goodness sake dont try using it in bridge if it isn't capable of working correctly in Stereo.

I have never used this amp in stereo mode until now, as I noticed there is something wrong about output power. 

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Did is start doing this recently,  or has it always been like this?

I know on the C Mark version of these amps it was a common QC error to not set the input sensitivity correctly.  There is a trimmer on the channel gain board at the front, you can adjust the input level here, measure output and adjust the trimmer so that the clip LED comes on at the correct point.    On the C Marks the meters are not real clip detection, they are just input meters, so it may be that there is nothing wrong with the amp stage.  
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on the diagram I have here the first 3 leds are input level, the clip led is driven from the error amplifier and the fault led is off the protect circuit.

So an input level fault wouldnt necessarily bring the clip led on but an output or psu stage would.

The pots on the back of the front pcb should be adjusted so the signal drives the limiters at the right point. When adjusted properly the clip light should barely blip on the signal peaks and gradually reduce in intensity as the limiter integrator brings the gain down (it grounds the wiper of the front volume pot!).


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Hmm, I just measured supplyrail voltages under clipping conditions. 
High voltage rail: 235V idle, 225V load.
Low voltage rail: 115V idle, 100V load.
Voltage switching mosfets are working, measured with oscilloscope (gate waveform). 

Measured output voltage from speaker terminals, 8ohm dummyload connected. 
Channel B clipping led lights at 38Volts, maximum output voltage 50Volts (distorted).
As comparsion, channel A is giving 63Volts before clipping occurs.



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I would do the following:--

1. Take out class H switching FET's on channel B (positive & negative), see if channel B is distorted with input signal. Just because you have measured the waveform at the gate of the FET, this tells me that the signal is present BUT still could be a faulty FET. Have you checked FET isolation on heatsink & taken out FET's and measured them ?????.
2. Check on both channels the positive & negative switching waveforms on the gates of all four high / low switching FETS (should be the same point / voltage on both channels).
3. Check class H switching diodes (take out of circuit and measure, as well as short on heatsink).


If channel B is working fine (i.e. no distortion) on the lower positive & negative voltage rail (115V), then it would indicate a Class H problem & i would still go with FET's & switching diodes.

Let use know how you get on.



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can we see a snapshot of the scope ?
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Originally posted by kedwardsleisure kedwardsleisure wrote:

can we see a snapshot of the scope ?

it was clean squarewave, duty cycle increasing with input signal. Identical in both channels.
I only scoped top side mosfets, have to do the same for bottom fets too. 

It is pretty much possible that bottom fets are not working.. makes sense, as clipping occurs as soon as mosfets are trying to give more supply voltage.

TA1400 is nice amplifier anyway, I have two of them now.  Claimed power output is quite close to reality.








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