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polomex ![]() Registered User ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 April 2013 Location: Montreal Status: Offline Points: 11 |
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Does a tapped horn works great outside? We want to build a stack of 8 mth 4654 and since most of our raves are outdoor during the summer, I want to make sure its a great choice instead of a folded horn like the Lab horn or SBH.
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T-Bone ![]() Registered User ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 December 2005 Location: Tampa, FL USA Status: Offline Points: 292 |
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I have a brand new PD186/1, laying around after my gig on Saturday I plan to build one MTH 4654 for sub duties for my almost finished BFM Omni 12 Tallboys. The MTH should move alot of air in smaller venues (200 venues) my Tallboy is a 3 way horn loaded cabs but i know the MTH's are a big cab to lug around but i need to house my 186 someplace LOL . . .
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BASS, how low can you go!
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Teunos ![]() Old Croc ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 November 2008 Location: The Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 1793 |
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I have 8 TH's loaded with 18's and a mate of mine also has 8. Surely they are not your average TH, but i think the behavior of TH's will be relatively the same for most designs. We did a test a few weeks ago with 16 TH's outside, and the bass was fenomenal, also from a good distance. It did not drop off like i've seen and heard BR's do. (Although i must admit that being a physics student, I still can't theoretically explain the differences sometimes perceived as throw, which is just a product of source SPL and directivity)
Here is a pic of the test. Fully horn loaded system. Sound rejection to the side was immense, standing 5m in front of the stack or 5m to the side we measured a relative SPL difference of 35dB across the band , A weighted ![]() I think you will find 8 MTH4654 pretty capable, just don't expect it will do the same damage as inside when all cabs are placed in a corner. If you have the option however, always go for a central cluster for the bass and get the mids/highs up to proper height in the stereo Left right stacks.
Edited by Teunos - 17 June 2014 at 1:11pm |
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Best regards,
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Xoc1 ![]() Registered User ![]() Joined: 15 October 2012 Location: Devon UK Status: Offline Points: 364 |
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The directivity and throw are mostly due to stacking the bins 8 across.
The bass must of been beaming like a laser! If you want to see a video of a TH outdoors search Youtube for 'TH18' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIgY99MDAqI This Guy built 4 of my TH18 cab design as part of a high school project. ![]() |
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discosucks ![]() Old Croc ![]() Joined: 06 November 2009 Status: Offline Points: 1548 |
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My cbe18s work much better outside than inside!
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GekoMusic94 ![]() Registered User ![]() Joined: 03 February 2010 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 469 |
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Also my tapped horns works much better outside or in big rooms than in small rooms.
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tv00 ![]() Old Croc ![]() Joined: 10 August 2009 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 1886 |
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Whow what are those bins? I've just been messing around with some sims not far from that with regards to the "open mouth" rather than the regular th "slot" opening |
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Joset ![]() New Member ![]() Joined: 22 August 2014 Status: Offline Points: 1 |
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Hi, can I have the plans for your 18" tapped horn designs? Do you have the plans for the jth 18 btw? How is your tapped horn compare to jth 18? thx.
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AndyWave ![]() Registered User ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 March 2008 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 380 |
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Hi tv00
Those bins are Teunos' own, little bit smaller version of my Miss Piggy, a 27Hz TH http://forum.speakerplans.com/1x18-tapped-horn_topic39552_page1.html Andy Edit I did an outdoor live music gig with my system last week. Did tune the subbass end with Pink Floyd's heartbeat at beginning of a record. As I know it starts from 25Hz. It really was sufficient with 2 pigs per side for 70 people ![]() Also they have some sort of directivity, more than equally sized reflex stack. And to Teun, can you reveal something about your mid cabinets, rough measurements maybe. Looks like 12" drivers. I'm interested as I'm running one or two 12" straight horns per side as needed. Edited by AndyWave - 23 August 2014 at 3:17pm |
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crossed ![]() Registered User ![]() Joined: 26 September 2011 Location: Ky US Status: Offline Points: 217 |
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I had 4 Cubos out at a fest a few weeks ago and they sounded decent in the dance area, but way off in the woods a good distance from the stack while, umm... ahemm... taking care of some business... I noticed they carried really far. I couldn't believe the bass that far away. Almost sounded better out in the woods.
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mini-mad ![]() Old Croc ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 July 2012 Location: london Status: Offline Points: 6903 |
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...shame your in the US... im getting rid of my cubo15s
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If it sounds like a gorilla is trying to escape, turn it down.
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Teunos ![]() Old Croc ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 November 2008 Location: The Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 1793 |
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Mids are indeed double 12''. Cabs are loaded with RCF L12P11WK, monster mids but also pretty heavy. The sims showed usable response to be between 200Hz up. When i measured them for the first time, they were almost flat from 200 to 900Hz. Horn is 40cm deep and it was designed to be used with 2 per side. This is the first measurement i did, no eq lowpass or anything applied. I cross them at 150Hz and 750Hz to the BMS coax and get great results like this, extremely clear mids with punch in the lower mids. Btw, i just upgraded my processor from the DCX to a Fir and allpass capable processor. Today i made some new settings. This is the measurement from the complete 5-way system, TH sub, BPH kick, the double 12 mids and then the BMS coax actively driven by 2 amp channels. Subs are high passed at 38Hz, which although a little high is more than enough for most music. +-45 degrees phase change between 50Hz and 20k. Never heard a system sound so clear before! Mind though that this was made inside, with reflections from walls and everything, which explains the peaks and dips between below 300Hz. Can't seem to get that squiggle in the phase at 8k out of it no matter how hard i try... Edit: 300Hz instead of 3kHz...
Edited by Teunos - 23 August 2014 at 8:50pm |
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