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minaximal ![]() Old Croc ![]() Joined: 26 September 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1780 |
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from the soundcheck thread.. yep, its my own "little" beastie, 3.4m "supercurved" smooth constant expansion 26hz fc hyperbolic horn, loaded with pd1850, taken best part of a year learning about horns and reading the wise words of other whilst loitering round places like this.. and then the cutting... let alone design n learning autocad etc anyway yep we like our noise, but it was tested at points, as much as could be done with a bridged peavey cs1000 i did wonder if anyone here would have noticed i'm sure theres a few that may b interested, trying to get construcion photos sorted on a website.. maybe start next week al Edited by minaximal |
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rinky ![]() Registered User ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 March 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 54 |
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it looked a bit different to say the least. is it possible to stack them? |
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minaximal ![]() Old Croc ![]() Joined: 26 September 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1780 |
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well, they have a large mouth (only built one so far tho) and i designed them to work in pairs side by side or for a bit of serius bass with four; on their sides, two on bottom two on top. having said that one seemed really good with a bit of eq in 2pi, so should be absolutely fine in 0.5pi due to boundary reinforcement and cabin gain. oh and it took 3-4 of us to move them cos i hadnt had time to put handles on yet.. hopefully tonight, when theres enugh of us at home to lift it back up the stairs from the van the only problems with a stack of four on their side would be u cant sit in the middle Edited by minaximal |
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rinky ![]() Registered User ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 March 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 54 |
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have you got any pictures? it looked like the horn path was cut from one peice of wood - it's difficult to explain. was it folded in the normal way? or more of a curved horn (like a trombone)? |
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minaximal ![]() Old Croc ![]() Joined: 26 September 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1780 |
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here is a cad screenshot. the red line is disecting the outer center of the rear chamber.. the horn profile and this rear chamber section are cut from one sheet of ply per side.
or http://img205.echo.cx/img205/1898/terrahorn7ie.png its not teknically folded as such, you can see its curved around the 2 corners, i havnt read any research, but as far as i can imagine sound waves can propagate with less friction/turbulance or eddys round a smoothed corner rather than the bp effect of right angled corners in most folded horns.. dont forget standing waves and back reflections too, reducing efficiency.. which isnt taken into account in horn response... this may even lead to the possibility of a much higher crossover point if so desired, because it more resembles a "warped" straight horn. i havnt as yet tried it above 90hz. got loadsa photos, but theyre all on my gf computer.. half in sequence of construction. still waiting for slide film of the horns escapades at the teknival to come back.. |
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Timber_MG ![]() Registered User ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 March 2004 Location: South Africa Status: Offline Points: 1454 |
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There is actually a tool that gives you a vry god optimum AND exports
to dwg!!! Go to cornu.de -> forum -> FAQ and look for WH Geiger's
horn folding spreadsheet.
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minaximal ![]() Old Croc ![]() Joined: 26 September 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1780 |
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yep seen it/used it, it is a great little tool, but that is still assuming a degree of curvature is involved.. in comparison to ur average flat paneled fold, and it tends to go a bit crazy with long curves! (also 1 curve at a time)
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Timber_MG ![]() Registered User ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 March 2004 Location: South Africa Status: Offline Points: 1454 |
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That is where you need to start thinking about the shortest wavelength
(i.e. at the top of your bandwidth and half-one octave above) and make
a compromize generally on the inside radius, do 5cm really matter when
you have a 1/4 wavelength of (eg) 40cm @ 200Hz?
I just use it to get the fold close theoretically and then shuffle arounda coupl eof parameters, including "compromizing" the last bit of the horn (hornresp with conical equivalents and for eg. a faster terminus). The first bit is the most important and due to the low cross section simplest to fold well. |
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Timber_MG ![]() Registered User ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 March 2004 Location: South Africa Status: Offline Points: 1454 |
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I also tend to think in terms of preserving the same volume of the horn
contour where possible with the constraint of 1/4 wavelength
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tb_mike ![]() Old Croc ![]() Joined: 01 October 2004 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 2744 |
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3.4m with 26hz Fc ,thats what im talkn about!
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minaximal ![]() Old Croc ![]() Joined: 26 September 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1780 |
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@ timber, yep i'm sure your right talking wavelengths, but have you ever tried tugging a ratchet strap round a 180 degree panel, then around a smoothed curve.. i can imagine pushing air being the same: less friction and turbulance and reflections. anyway it is kind of less practical but looks the bollox, and is less "compromised" @mike |
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JD01 ![]() Young Croc ![]() Joined: 23 August 2004 Status: Offline Points: 819 |
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I wonder how long the PD1850 will last. The loading is serious in such a long horn. Even the two special made 12" speakers in the EAW KF940 couldn't take it (and 12" cones are much more stable than 18"s are....).
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