The new ASS R2U system.

Iv heard of alot of people using this method before and i was just wondering if you were to do this would you need a seperate Crossover just for the sub? or say you had an ultradrive etc would you just use input C for sub?

indeed on the LMS use input C for subs if there is enough outs, or use a seperate LMS if not.

For live, gives the ability to keep the low content well out the way of things that dont require it such as 99% of vocals ect ect, with DJ's makes it easy to balance the sound/kicking it in/out selectively for 'special effect'.

In terms of from mixer, id only ever do this when engineering, using a post fed auxilary on the channel strip. All larger consoles have output metering on the output matrixs anyway. Centre channel drives front/sidefills. I keep output groups for grouping still ie: drums etc.

Metering on the outs isnt too important regardless for me, normally have a system suitably spec'ed for the venue anyway so will never be spanking it, and the system will be monitored from the LMS anyway (through ethernet control). Input meters on every channel are more useful as far as im concerned, makes setting of gains + tracking stray channels much easier!!

I could do with a bit of a shakeup, I'm getting a bit creaky.

TONY.A.S.S. wrote: Just thought I'd add this as a bit more info and insight to the use of scoops in a live situation. When the Astoria was up and running, the Reflekta system was in there until the Venue closed. For Subs, the system had 10 MX121's. These in effect were 21" 'Scoop bins' altered to a height that suited the rest of the system and they were traps. These served for Jeremy's G.A.Y.E. nights, and all the other bands that played in there including the Stones. I never heard of any problems. In general, with the calibre of artiste who would have played there, the system would have been engineered in a proper way.

You're mistaken Tony, everyone knows scoops can't be used for live gigs, that's why only people who don't know sound like scoops.

Motion54 wrote: In a nutshell Levyte, why don't scoops work in live situations?

There's a point, and you're missing it mate.

Scoops tuned for roots man peak presence probably aren't ideal for live stuff. That isn't to say that the whole cabinet type is a write off.

TONY.A.S.S. wrote: As in most things, if not all things in Audio, it will come down to balance. You can get a flat response using a graphic on a scoop. once you've got it flat, it will be like a lot of other sub bass cabs.

Now that makes sense to me.
I respect that a scoop is tuned or suited to lazy reggae bass lines but with a little tweaking can work in a live band situation!
Would it be correct to say the typical roots based sound wouldn't be adequate to use scoops for a live situation, but a speaker management based scoop sound could instead, utilising delays and eq etc?