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    Posted: 06 October 2021 at 6:28pm
Is there anybody who have specs on v18-1000640 im curious to see if u can use it in a scoop the component is made for a 640 paraf├Žex cabinet but some People say that it has better motor and better cooling ..

Please reply any information is gladly recieved
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Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

  • Add chamber wadding as suggested in Superscooper plans
Finally I started building superscoops. After few days of cutting and thinking I have a question: the superscoop plan says that you have to use 5cm of polyester fibre in the panel back to the driver. But doing this will result in the void driver that touch and "press" the fibre. Is this normal and safe or am I missing something? 
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If someone here is after the smaller Infinite 7v2, i have one hear for sale in NL Smile
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Originally posted by knet94 knet94 wrote:

Hi, I'm the Ken referred to by Lev. Currently downsizing and have at least one selling. Looking £1,000 for well looked after specimens.
thank you Ken for the information!  As I told, I'm working hard on scoop bins now. In next months I'll find the best quality/price solution for the amp! 

Originally posted by Sinai Sound Sinai Sound wrote:


Your HPF should never change, regardless of the amount of boxes you use

I'd set a super scoop to be 38hz 18db BW personally
Thank you very much. I will experiment around hints all of you are giving to me Smile

Originally posted by FOO FOO wrote:

You will be absolute pleased with a LAB FP14000. 
Dont get blinded by what you read on here. 
LAB FP and PLM amps are just as good and more, compared to Powersoft and Void. 
They just cost alot more, so not many will spend the money on them.

But they are beasts.. No doubt about it. And more rider friendly Big smile

I could be wrong but from what I've seen, Powersoft X or K series are much expensive than Labgruppen FP. (if you consider specs-similar models of course).

I'll let you know my impressions with Labgruppen FP 140000 in next months.
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You will be absolute pleased with a LAB FP14000. 
Dont get blinded by what you read on here. 
LAB FP and PLM amps are just as good and more, compared to Powersoft and Void. 
They just cost alot more, so not many will spend the money on them.

But they are beasts.. No doubt about it. And more rider friendly Big smile

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Originally posted by heavydub heavydub wrote:

Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Originally posted by paulus paulus wrote:

get the voids , i used the B N C in small chamber scoops , just sound very regular untill they buckled v1000 sounds amazing in small chamber cabs  


If dude has mind made up on Superscoopers, Voids would be one of the top  drivers in it.

However I think more drivers would work well in the Mykey Scoop.

Voids in Mykey Scoop would be real loud, louder than PD1850, but just need "few measures", to ensure warmth.

Sure a few 18sounds drivers, will pound in Mykey Scoop as well.
"few measures"? are you talking about crossover points / eq?
and moreover: Which 18sound driver are you talking about?

Anyway, if so much people is happy with Void and superscooper, I think I could go with them. I just hope they will go low enougth. At what frequencies would you HPF 4xVoid in superscooper to find a good compromise between sub notes and overexcursion?
Thank you for your patience, I know I have lot's of questions

Your HPF should never change, regardless of the amount of boxes you use

I'd set a super scoop to be 38hz 18db BW personally
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Hi, I'm the Ken referred to by Lev. Currently downsizing and have at least one selling. Looking £1,000 for well looked after specimens.
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Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Ken here in UK  is selling Void Inf8mk2.

Powersoft K20 Will power 6x V18-1000.

You would be surprised how well MA5000VZ, Crest CA18 will power 4x V18s.
Ken? Who is Ken?
Anyway, I totally understand the importance to have a good amp to drive 4 v18-1000. Unfortunately I can't afford the price of wood, drivers, cables, amp etc everything in few days. I will buy things month after month. Meanwhile I can test and play with new scoops thanks to my friends amplifiers.

I will consider void inf8mk2, powersoft, crest and crown. I will give a try to labgruppen too. 

I would ask the "ken" contact (if Ken is a guy lol), but as I told, I'm not going to buy an amplifier today. Anyway It would be nice to know the price, just to have an idea.


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Ken here in UK  is selling Void Inf8mk2.

Powersoft K20 Will power 6x V18-1000.

You would be surprised how well MA5000VZ, Crest CA18 will power 4x V18s.




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Originally posted by Noyzmunky Noyzmunky wrote:

Originally posted by heavydub heavydub wrote:

Maybe I'm not considering something?


Yeah, you're not considering getting a bit fresh with the EQ

You'll blow a couple of drivers your first few times out, or you're doing it wrong

You will need to learn where the limits of your rig are. You can burn out a coil easy as with that sort of music and a tiny bit of distortion and still be within your limiters..
Also 2.5k@4R is a bit light to run two drivers for heavy dub, not enough headroom. I would be wanting to have way more amp headroom, that's how you keep drivers happy. Have enough room to hit transients with authority. 2-2.5k a driver.... That's more like it.
I'll keep maximum attention on EQ. Also, i will try to get a big man amp to have enough headroom. Thank you for your tips.

I honestly hope I'll be able to avoid blowing stuffs. Also, as I was expecting and you confirmed, the kind of music (Dub) play an important rule in this topic.
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Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Member here once stated  Crown Macrotech MA5000VZ, performed better on sub, than Lab Gruppen FP14000.

I would suggest:
  • Void Infinite 8MK2 or Powersoft X series.
  • 40hz/18db Butterworth HPF for 4x V18-1000 loaded Superscoops.
  • Add chamber wadding as suggested in Superscooper plans
Above are measures I was suggesting.

Yeah, I've read a lot in SP scoop forum about Void Infinite 8MK2 and Crown Macrothech MA5000VZ. I guess it would be great to get one of them. Unfortunately, as you already know, both of them are out of production; just finding a used one seems to be very difficoult. At least I've searched many times in the last period, without luck.

Also, I have to find a compromise between amp quality and costs. I'm not sayng I'll buy crap.
About Powersoft amps: I know, they are are great. But Their cost is too Cry

Luckly, in next months I have the possibility to test 4 scoops with some decent amp my friend owns, I'll let you know.

Thank you for other suggestions


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The best advice I can give, is wait until you have loaded your boxes

Then try a multitude of different amplifiers with your processing and music through your boxes to make a final decision
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