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    Posted: 01 July 2022 at 8:56pm
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Another Angle showing the Amp stacks -Typical PA nurd Photo - Heavy stuff!
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Originally posted by opus jody opus jody wrote:

Great to see you too. It's been ages!

There was a funny moment. Noise police wanted the rapper turned down (no problem, lol)
Then rapper wanted it up. (ok, a little bit)
Then noise police turned up wanting him down again, so I introduced them to eachother, and left them to it.
The noise guy never came back, hahaha



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Great to see you too. It's been ages!

Yes, that was fun.
Getting covid wasn't though.



Quite a few compromises though.
The main ones were 3.5m gap between barriers & speakers, meant that the central stacks had to go inside the dome, so they were too close to each other (for proper 6-point stereo)
and the FOH position was so far back, that the angle of the outer tops was too deep, or FOH wouldn't have been able to hear on-axis, but it still worked pretty well.

Tops angled down a touch did a great job of keeping the sound contained within the space. Noise police pretty much left us alone. (Just a couple of dB off late at night)

There was a funny moment. Noise police wanted the rapper turned down (no problem, lol)
Then rapper wanted it up. (ok, a little bit)
Then noise police turned up wanting him down again, so I introduced them to eachother, and left them to it.
The noise guy never came back, hahaha
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Back to bed. Covid sucks. :(


Edited by opus jody - 01 July 2022 at 5:38pm
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Originally posted by 4D 4D wrote:

Yes indeed look forward to coffee a catch up & a listen.. :)
 

Good to catch up with you and the inimitable James Folkes albeit briefly..   Came down later for a listen.  Gosh it was busy  

Sounded superb.    
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote fatfreddiescat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 June 2022 at 9:50pm
I'm not so sure it was your system set up that caused that, just also happens to be around about where the reflections of of the roof of the tent would be hitting.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote opus jody Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 June 2022 at 9:24pm
Hi. Sounds like you might have been in the central spot, that would normally be the best listening position on any other set up. That is one of the squiffy bits. If you had moved forward, between the 2 central tops, you would have got the full mosh pit experience, and if you'd moved back to FOH you would have the outer 2 tops, and if you'd moved either way sideways, directly in front of a central stack, you would have had left & right from stacks 1 & 3, or 2 & 4, but yeah, thats not the best listening position any more.
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Hi Jody I was there at Bearded and your tent was one of the best sounding on site particularly your sub setup was working well in the tent.  As is often the case at these events the main stage setup was brain dead.  As you say quite a tricky tent to deal with if you can't have a conventional front to back arrangement.  I did however think that the sound was a bit strange in many places in the tent, particularly in the overlap region of the two front stacks.  My initial impression was the splay angle was totally wrong on the tops before the stereo concept was explained to me (sounded like bits of the spectrum was missing).  As you say though it gave more 'zones' in the tent with acceptable sound so perhaps it was the best possible compromise.
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Jody, all you say is bang on, comb filtering was all but inaudible, big wide sweet areas and less obviuos bass power allies, also sounding smooth behind the stacks of yours, was altogether a bloody good effort by allThumbs Up
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We had d&b's take on 3D audio (Soundscape) on the April Groove Armada tour, 5 hangs of KSL across the front of the stage and 32 boxes of Y spread around the auditorium
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Another brucy bonus, the only two main bass dead spots are at each end of the FOH decking, so when the noise police turn up with their measurement mics, guess where we put them? Big smile 6dB extra for free.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote toastyghost Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 June 2022 at 1:00pm
Nice idea! It’s not a million miles away from how L-ISA works, with vector-based amplitude panning between multiple coplanar identical sources.

If you can stretch to up to 7 ‘stacks’, ideally with a flown pair above the centre stage, then you can get really good results with various amounts of panning of ‘stereo’ sources to each of them. Either via desk or LMS matrices, although the former is preferable if you've got live music sources. 'Locating' a performer to the speakers near to them is much more 'natural' than traditional stereo.

The maths is relatively simple, just needs a tape measure and some inverse distance maths.


Funnily enough, it's also closer to the original Blumlein concept of 'stereo' anyway!
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