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    Posted: 27 April 2015 at 11:41pm
so no comments on the turbomax b1000 in the X1's? haha just read through this whole thread hoping to find something on them! not that it hasn't been enlightening regarding everyone's opinion of the proline 3000, and scoops vs x1's...
i ran the turbomax b1000's quickly through winISD and got a better response than the void v18-1000. would love it if someone else could run it though and give me a shout on what they find. or even better no someone that had tried it...
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Hi guys!

Again, thank for all the help & feedback in this thread.
We will get a inf8 mk2 after all Smile

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If anyone has built cabs, and want to test drivers in them, we are planning to do some tests of various 18" drivers over the coming weeks, you would need to be willing to travel to our warehouse in southampton with your cabs to do the testing.
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I'd say the same: consider other boxes rather than drivers, the 1850 are good. Perhaps rcf lf18x451 can take a bit more beating (1800w rms & bigger xmax).

If you don't like scoops thereĀ“s other deepbass options like front loaded horns (flh), tapped horns (th) & perhaps short scoops as well or... reflex. I think X1 has two chambers out of perfect, same does cone & horn in a scoop and port & cone in a reflex. Closed box & Flh don't have this issue, just one output,  from what I hear th shouldn't have this issue either, whch is strange!
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How bout two c-audio SR 707 mk1 both run mono parallel two x1 per amp surely those old skool back breakers would have the balls to run sub duties and maybe a couple of xr3801 to run the kicks although a much lower league of amps they do seem ballsy and reliable and if they do ever go wrong they are easy and cheap to self repair
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I know, 4ohm bridge is the same like 2ohm stereo for the amp, it was also mentioned in the thread. I would probably anyway go for powering them at 8ohm, less struggle for the amp + the damping factor increases at least a bit. 

Yeah, shure why not building some rearloaded horns Wacko Wink

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4 ohm  bridge means 2 ohms for the amp which can work well but should never be recommended as the "best" choice imo, the components especially in cheap amps like proline will not like it and the amplifier lifetime span will be decreased. I like the idea of having a  cheap bridged amplifier for every sub, easy load for every decent amplifier and you do not need  a 32A plug if you would go for one big amp for 6 subs.
If you do not like Scoops, you could also have an eye on Rearloaded Horns LOLEmbarrassed

"if anyone in switzerland knows how to control the signal chain & sound of his self built system properly, than we do"

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thank you for your input, but I read all the posts very carefully and I'm considering all advices. So I'm not ignoring what people suggested to me. (But some people are clearly ignoring that scoops aren NO option for us, as many times mentioned during the discussion)

As many times said in the tread, 4 ohm is no hustle for the proline. Except to the inf8, it seems like the proline would be many peoples choice for this situation - under the qualification of a carefully controlled signal chain and no clipping at all. I believe you that you have many experience with this cab - so probably you are willing to share some of your experience on in safety control? 

You must see, we are very careful operators. We are probably crazy about bass, but not at any price.
And by the way - we ARE upgrading from 4 to 6 x1's. And if the limit of the cab is reached with 8ohm proline, I realize that fully and I will live with it. (or build even more cabs Wink)

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Edit: our Signal Chain: from a Mackie or Allen & Heath Desk -> Art HQ31 Eq -> DBX 166 Comp / Limiter -> DCX 2496 (X1: 40-80hz, 48db Butterworth) -> Amps


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I am easy, i am just repeating what many other posters said before me in this thread and i have fortunately a lot of experience with your cabs and how to power them properly. Everything has been said, but you seem to ignore it, reread the answers and you will find a solution.

X1 + Proline 3000 in bridge mode 4 ohm is twice a bad idea, i do honestly not know if the amp likes it or not ( 2 ohm is most likely not ideal for the amp ), but your drivers will blow if you dont know the limit, which is not easy to know with the X1 cab and the crestfactor in your music. Again, you still reach the limit of the cab with 8ohm stereo proline so there is no significant gain in output but in stress for the driver. Proline gives more power even at 40hz as stated.

Build more cabs or switch to a more efficient design, scoop would be the first choice for your application.
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thank you for your recommendations & help, but take it easy,
if anyone in switzerland knows how to control the signal chain & sound of his self built system properly, than we do.


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If you play Dubstep you have to cope with an even lower Crestfactor than with Roots/Dub music, bridging proline is only for experienced soundman which know the drivers limit, otherwise it leads surely to death of drivers, even 1100W is too much with Crestfaktors of 1db or lower and it is definetly not worth putting 1,4k instead of 1,1k because of powercompression and no time for cooling coils with long b-lines...

In my eyes: FORGET IT or build more cabs if you do not switch to scoops which would be highly recommended
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You guys are a huge help! Thank you very much for all the usefull informations!

I have one last question. Imagine a setup with 4x x1's powered with 2x proline3000, would I prefer to

A) power them in bridge mode, so each pd will get 1500 watt at 4 ohm or
B) power them in parallel mode so each pd will get 1100 watt at 8 ohm,

What do you guys think?

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Edited by Tengu Collective - 19 March 2014 at 9:16pm
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