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    Posted: 03 June 2019 at 11:10pm
Originally posted by 4D 4D wrote:

Originally posted by jazomir jazomir wrote:

Originally posted by TONY.A.S.S. TONY.A.S.S. wrote:

Originally posted by Nachural Nachural wrote:

Does anyone remember the Muscle Music PA rig?

Operated by Mark Hardy and Alan Wick who later sold everything and formed Turbosound Sales. They used to use our horns which we built into Flight Cases. Didn't they start out as the Jam's PA people.
The worked with a lot of bands in that era - I think Will Norton (Big Will) used to work for them at the time. They had a nice 3 way floor monitor 15in/10in/horn IIRC - one of your builds Tony?

I knew Muscle Music well.  Pa, backline hire & a rehearsal space in the railway arches on Great Suffolk Street & Pocock St. 

Used to do a lot of rehearsals in their space and PA hire from Mark & Alan back in the day. 

It was where I first met the young Peter Brotzman.

; And yes the Jam became their big client.  

After the dissolution

Peter went off to join John & Tony at New North Road. 

Mark ended up running a hotel in the Caribbean 

& yes Alan went on to own it all... 

Last rig I hired was 1976 (farcanal it was that long ago)  when  I was touring with Johhny Thunders & the Heartbreakers stumbling round Europe in a skag induced haze (the band that is not Pete & I)  No sorry rewind last rig was a turbo system 1981 though for some reason Edwin Shirley,  Collie & mad Eric all ring bells.. 

Mark was around briefly last summer I believe the Brotz caught up with him. 

They also used to sponsor my racing motorcycle right through till the early eighties  

Good chaps in their day.. 

Found this t'other day.  Muscle Music & my P&M kwacker on the island TT80
 


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I worked a few gigs with Bob, also there was Hollywood PA in Brum which I believe also went into SSE.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Nachural Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 June 2013 at 11:11am

It’s good that people still remember these long gone companies who helped form the basis of the UK touring industry.

Other companies included Star Hire before the specialised in staging and Bob Doyle’s Texserve before it became part of SSE. Anyone remember his monster Cerwin Vega bass bins?

Any more suggestions?

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Originally posted by Steve_B Steve_B wrote:

Hey!!! I thougth that this was the  golden oldies vintage section. Go start your own thread about new-fangled connectors in the ultra modern still wet behind the ears baby boy section. TongueBig smile


A thousand apologies Steve. I shall now stand silently in the corner counting my 2 pin Din connectors.Big smile
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Originally posted by jazomir jazomir wrote:

Originally posted by TONY.A.S.S. TONY.A.S.S. wrote:

Originally posted by Nachural Nachural wrote:

Does anyone remember the Muscle Music PA rig?

Operated by Mark Hardy and Alan Wick who later sold everything and formed Turbosound Sales. They used to use our horns which we built into Flight Cases. Didn't they start out as the Jam's PA people.
The worked with a lot of bands in that era - I think Will Norton (Big Will) used to work for them at the time. They had a nice 3 way floor monitor 15in/10in/horn IIRC - one of your builds Tony?

I knew Muscle Music well.  Pa, backline hire & a rehearsal space in the railway arches on Great Suffolk Street & Pocock St. 

Used to do a lot of rehearsals in their space and PA hire from Mark & Alan back in the day. 

It was where I first met the young Peter Brotzman.

; And yes the Jam became their big client.  

After the dissolution

Peter went off to join John & Tony at New North Road. 

Mark ended up running a hotel in the Caribbean 

& yes Alan went on to own it all... 

Last rig I hired was 1976 (farcanal it was that long ago)  when  I was touring with Johhny Thunders & the Heartbreakers stumbling round Europe in a skag induced haze (the band that is not Pete & I)  No sorry rewind last rig was a turbo system 1981 though for some reason Edwin Shirley,  Collie & mad Eric all ring bells.. 

Mark was around briefly last summer I believe the Brotz caught up with him. 

They also used to sponsor my racing motorcycle right through till the early eighties  

Good chaps in their day.. 
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Originally posted by TONY.A.S.S. TONY.A.S.S. wrote:

In spite of Americans appearing to have more money and resources to use in those days compared with us, they had some some strange ideas about sound. The components were fine but the application was strange. I think they inherited there fundamental ideas from the Cinema Industry. which is probably why they stuck with 2 way systems for a long time, I.E. 4560 with an HF Horn on the top.


Tony is right there---For years the Yanks were only running two way systems and stubbornly would not change over to split more ways---In the seventies we were touring with a lot of top US acts mainly brought over by Kennedy Street Artistes in Manchester and a lot of the bands sound engineers were amazed to find us running a five way system including mono sub as they were so used to seeing every rig they used being only two way with stereo bass---it took them years to catch up and also to realize that mono sub or low bass was also the way to go.
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LOL We only deal in Cannon, Amphenol and Neuts.
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Originally posted by djeddie djeddie wrote:

Originally posted by dylan-penguinmedia dylan-penguinmedia wrote:

Incidentally I used to work for Marquee Audio doing installs. Useless fact!


Hopefully not the install at T** G****h**** in Bristol though... 'cause after Marquee had left I went through it and put all the Martin EM25's in the same phase... and connected the 1210 ground leads to the mixer... and turned the Speakon connectors in one of the bins so it was latched and working... etc etc, ad lib to fade!

Hey!!! I thougth that this was the  golden oldies vintage section. Go start your own thread about new-fangled connectors in the ultra modern still wet behind the ears baby boy section. TongueBig smile
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In spite of Americans appearing to have more money and resources to use in those days compared with us, they had some some strange ideas about sound. The components were fine but the application was strange. I think they inherited there fundamental ideas from the Cinema Industry. which is probably why they stuck with 2 way systems for a long time, I.E. 4560 with an HF Horn on the top.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Nachural Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 June 2013 at 12:00pm
Absolutely right, Ian, the K145 would have been the ultimate choice from that range.
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Originally posted by Robbo Robbo wrote:

The Showco system was a bit of a joke in the trade in those days as it had no real bottom end at all, due to the fact that they were using K130 guitar speakers in all of their bass bins hence no real bass---Yes it was loud but one of the worst rigs that I have heard in my life.


I never realised that John,but reading the link posted by Chris...quote 

"48 folded-horn bass enclosures with JBL K130 4x15 speakers; each enclosure powered by one 600-watt mono amp."

How very odd,i wonder why they fitted them with K130's? i can only assume to get the high theroretical efficiency,but as you say,no low-end what so ever.....you would have thought,in raiding the JBL stockpiles to load them,they would have fitted at least K140's,or if money was no object (which presumably it wasnt) then K145's. Very strange.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Nachural Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 June 2013 at 11:40am
I seem to remember they had a 5 way rig but don't know much about it. Maybe Will can let us know a little more about the setup?
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