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both 50hz - 20k



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RosscoPico Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 March 2011 at 1:49pm
Very sexy!  What do they reproduce at 50Hz....

  -3, -6, -10 dB?

Also it that in singles / pairs / quads?
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the tfr could be used as a fullrange cab, single
C4 would have to be in 4's, but was designed for kick mid hi only, and boy does it produce a good clean kick, I use them from 90 up above the D21's

tfr is a BPH, C4 is a FLH

I see you're using a bullet from 4k above a 6.5'' that doesn't have a phase bung, hows that coping?
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Originally posted by RosscoPico RosscoPico wrote:

When using 2 per side, these have a good "upper-bass" response (-3dB @100Hz) or with 4 (-3dB @80Hz)

Each cab = 2x12", 6" midrange + bullet.

"Triax" 3D model with "a cutout cross-section"



i do love the look of these, they should definitely win an award for sexiest speaker!
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it's just that when you add a horn to a phase bung'less driver (horn looks fairly biggish) a lot of the top end from the 6.5 will go for walkies, this is why you add a phase bung to get it right back up there again, or lots of EQ

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Originally posted by Smiter Smiter wrote:

X3 LF section goes lower than 80 and much higher than 150.


Have you or anybody else in the UK picked any up yet? Would love to hear them.
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We'll have ours soon! If you want to hear them then there is demo stock.

I'm not sure who else in the UK has them as they've only just been launched but there is some overseas.
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Originally posted by Smiter Smiter wrote:

We'll have ours soon! If you want to hear them then there is demo stock.


I'm not sure who else in the UK has them as they've only just been launched but there is some overseas.


Thought you might be jumping in, they do look well nice. Give me a shout if you're ever up this neck of the woods with them - demo stock would be nice but I don't really have the cash to make it worth their while at the moment, and I'd feel a little dishonest going in empty handed!
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Originally posted by mykey- mykey- wrote:

the tfr could be used as a fullrange cab, single
C4 would have to be in 4's, but was designed for kick mid hi only, and boy does it produce a good clean kick, I use them from 90 up above the D21's  [Sure I seeWink]

tfr is a BPH, C4 is a FLH

I see you're using a bullet from 4k above a 6.5'' that doesn't have a phase bung, hows that coping?

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Originally posted by mykey- mykey- wrote:

it's just that when you add a horn to a phase bung'less driver (horn looks fairly biggish) a lot of the top end from the 6.5 will go for walkies, this is why you add a phase bung to get it right back up there again, or lots of EQ

Your absolutely right Mykey, I agree with what your saying there!

When we built our first batch of "Triax" cabinets which were phototypes, although they didn't have any phase bungs initially we'd considered that they'd probably need them and measurements also showed this to be true.

An original pic [before phase plugs were fitted];

 
And here's one after we fitted some;

 
It's a bit different from some other designs as they are a kind of "inverted conical phase plug", but they do the job just as well.  I appreciate that these particular phase plugs are by no means a perfect fit, however they do sit as close as possible to the dust cap of the midrange, only just allowing enough room for driver excursion!

The next ones we build will have nicer looking  phase plugs, as next time we'll use a lathe so they'll fit exactly to match magnet size of the rear of bullets.  I doubt this will make any noticeable "audible" difference really, just an improvement on the aesthetics! 





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Originally posted by biotec biotec wrote:

A lot of 3 way horn loaded mid tops ahve a short 12inch horn on low mid which wont work for kick. Examples include turbo flood and flash, void stasys 3, etc .
 
res 4 and 5 have a BPH but are only specced for 115hz and up. They can probably be run lower with compromised headroom.
 
Ah yeah forgot about those designes.  Think Floodlights only do 180 hz up right?
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+1 on the Martin H3, and for Funktion One with kick surely it would need to be a Res 3?
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