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The main thing line array has going for it is convenience. It’s quick and easy to fly and doesn’t take up too much space. It has it’s uses without doubt but put it up against some of those older rigs and it may come as a surprise to anyone not familiar with how well they used to perform.

Guess it’s all horses for courses and newer technology does bring many benefits but I can’t help feeling that in many ways the magic that these 70’s and 80’s rigs brought to concert has been lost.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote colint Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 October 2011 at 4:44pm
Originally posted by jbl_man jbl_man wrote:

I absolutely agree John,35 years on,and some of these big modern systems sound appalling,im not just looking through rose tinted glasses and saying"oh the good old days were better ",they genuinely were!....give me a big heavy ground stacked rig (with Gauss,ATC and JBL drivers inside) over this flown nonsense any day.

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I don't have issue with flown PA, in  general I can get a better sound by hanging Mid-Hi boxes than ground stack as it gives more freedom to "point" them acurately..
 
My issue is with systems that can't produce full range in either degrees of coverage, dBs or Hertz.
 
Took the Ex to see Whitesanke/Def Leppard @ the SECC, the sound was nothing sort of spot on, over 95% of teh arena (and we did walk around to check) from memory it was a Scan gig with d&B line array, but they did have 7 hangs of it (yep 3 aside and a centre "downfill") all under control, all time aligned and all sounding like a PA, I agree this is the exception, most gigs like that have 4 (or god forbid 2) hangs of something designed to throw 200m with a beam angle of single FlashLight box and sound like R2D2 raping a Plastation 2...
 
Obviously 200 TMS-3 with some FlashLight and pile of 124s and 121s would have been better as they would have been blue and that is important!!!
 
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Originally posted by shagnasty shagnasty wrote:

...and sound like R2D2 raping a Plastation 2...

ClapLegendary quote there Sir!
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was having a hippy hawkwind mo last night and found what Im assuming is the the turbo festie rig c1970 at the isle of wight invasion. Id always assumed it was built a good few years later - or is the footage chronologically challenged?
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Robbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 March 2012 at 11:13pm
As well as having better touring PA rigs 35 years ago, the engineers that were running them were a hell of a lot better into the bargain----Most of us regular touring guys were on first names with each other, both FOH and the onstage monitor engineers paths used to cross on a regular basis on different tours and there was a certain respect among all of the touring engineers because we all knew what the other guys were capable of.
It was exactly the same when you arrived at most of the standard venues that were on most of the top acts tours---As soon as you walked in the stage door, you knew the stage manager and most of the get in crew either by first names or nicknames and they all knew us as well and the kettle soon went on. Nowadays it all seems very impersonal with pressure on everyone involved in a show to be one up on everyone else---Give me the laid back but still professional approach from the seventies and eighties and I will show you a much happier bunch of people.   
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Originally posted by godathunder godathunder wrote:

was having a hippy hawkwind mo last night and found what Im assuming is the the turbo festie rig c1970 at the isle of wight invasion. Id always assumed it was built a good few years later - or is the footage chronologically challenged?
The video is a mish mash of various films of the band - the IOW Festival PA was provided by Charlie Watkins (WEM) and famously used his parabolic reflectors for long throw & supplemented by Pink Floyds PA system too - lots of the crowd still couldn't hear. Some of the pics would have been taken around the time of the Space Ritual tour others at various festivals in the early seventies.  Tony Andrews did cut his teeth designing cabs for Hawkwind (and the Pink Fairies) but remember, Hawkwind themselves did not appear on the festival stage, rather they played IIRC in  'Canvas City' outside the main site in an inflatable structure http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/iow-frendz-hawk.html and would have used their own PA system (probably WEM or HIWATT - 300/400 watts max with 3 or 4 4x12 cabs a side) driven by a portable generator. They were watched here by Hendrix who later dedicated a song to the man with the silver face (Nik Turner)


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couple of nice photos of some old TB3020 boxes.. lifted from a french forum here



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They are the genuine original Turbosound cabinets built by SSE at Lenton Lane in Nottingham--Certainly bring back a few memories.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mykey- Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 December 2012 at 12:25pm
Originally posted by jazomir jazomir wrote:

Originally posted by godathunder godathunder wrote:

was having a hippy hawkwind mo last night and found what Im assuming is the the turbo festie rig c1970 at the isle of wight invasion. Id always assumed it was built a good few years later - or is the footage chronologically challenged?
The video is a mish mash of various films of the band - the IOW Festival PA was provided by Charlie Watkins (WEM) and famously used his parabolic reflectors for long throw & supplemented by Pink Floyds PA system too - lots of the crowd still couldn't hear. Some of the pics would have been taken around the time of the Space Ritual tour others at various festivals in the early seventies.  Tony Andrews did cut his teeth designing cabs for Hawkwind (and the Pink Fairies) but remember, Hawkwind themselves did not appear on the festival stage, rather they played IIRC in  'Canvas City' outside the main site in an inflatable structure http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/iow-frendz-hawk.html and would have used their own PA system (probably WEM or HIWATT - 300/400 watts max with 3 or 4 4x12 cabs a side) driven by a portable generator. They were watched here by Hendrix who later dedicated a song to the man with the silver face (Nik Turner)
I help set up 2 of these for a concert in Basildon, Essex. 2 huge red parabolic reflectors and 6 turbo sound double 18's did the whole venue
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love a bit of old school, hows thing move on these days
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