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Price as a proxy for quality, price and exotic materials create perceived value divorced from measurable performance.



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Was on a tour at a boutique manufacturer a few years ago. Normally they sell complete systems with speakers starting at 80.000 euro's and amps alike. 
they supply them with porcelain stands for the cables improving the magnetic field and such. 

When my friend pointed out the amps -even covered in resin to obscure the innards looked almost exactly like hypex modules we were quickly escorted out. 
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These 'wooden speaker cable elevators' always make me giggle. I would want them all different heights though, so the electricity flows gently downhill by gravity from the amplifier. Big smile

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Originally posted by jbl_man jbl_man wrote:

Oh there is some great stuff on that site, what a find...how about £21,275 for a 1.2 metre power lead.... LOL LOL

https://www.futureshop.co.uk/nordost-odin-2-uk-mains-power-cable?_gl=1*v91r4*_up*MQ..*_gs*MQ..&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI0bShh_2hkQMVRI9QBh3R8SXOEAQYBSABEgI7q_D_BwE



For that price, do they supply you with your own power station as well?   LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

How can people be taken in by all this crap? It's mind boggling.   Confused





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Reminds me of the tale a radio repair engineer visit recalled in the days when radios needed a physical aerial and earth. The owner of the radio lived in a flat and didnt have a garden. She had put the earth rod into the soil of a potted plant.

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Originally posted by kedwardsleisure kedwardsleisure wrote:

Reminds me of the tale a radio repair engineer visit recalled in the days when radios needed a physical aerial and earth. The owner of the radio lived in a flat and didnt have a garden. She had put the earth rod into the soil of a potted plant.


At least she hadn't plugged it into the mains!  LOL

Audio/sound world is odd. I had a gig a couple of weeks ago with a "Big Band" - drums, bass, guitar, keyboards, 2 x trumpets, trombone -- & 3 singers.

The drummer, bassist & keyboards were ok, guitarist & wind section all over the place, but the worst were the "vocalists"! Constantly out of tune, missing notes, etc., etc. I was really embarrassed!! No way to make the mess sound any good.   Ouch

Then, a few days after the gig, the promoter sends me a message saying how great the group/gig sounded & he'll definitely be contacting me again for work! Astounding. I wonder if he was actually listening, but anyway.   Confused




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Whilst it is easy to scoff at products like the ones linked to, and the people that buy them, the interesting thing is that most of those that use them are convinced that they work.

We are all guilty of the same thing to a certain degree. On recording forum there are people that believe some DAW sound better than others when they are proved to null out. On this forum, some members believe that one type of plywood sounds better than another, or that the original amplifier performs better than an otherwise identical but cheaper clone. It is not unknown for sound engineers to be convinced that the sound is changing when they are turning the knobs on the wrong channel, and I'm sure most monitor engineers, at some point, have simply pretended to adjust the settings, and the artist has said that it sounded better.

Obviously, we defend our own, biases, prejudices, foibles, or however you want to describe how your brain perceives stuff, by either some plausible but unproven in the specific circumstance, scientific principle, or saying that measurements don't show up everything.

So, why the negativity? If a product makes someone happy does the cost matter. A cheap Casio tells the time just as well as an expensive Rolex. The Rolex is to let others know how much the wearer can afford to spend on a watch. How many people on this forum do sound for a hobby, or not as their main income? How much of your income do you spend on sound equipment? Can you justify buying the expensive component when a cheap alternative would perform almost indistinguishably, and you have to save up to buy it? Do you really need to spend £350 on a 1.4" compression driver when an £85 P-Audio would work just as well? Alternatively, if you advise someone who really cant afford it, to take the more costly option, do you feel bad about it?


A question for the future is:

When some Chinese entrepreneur starts selling cheap, knock off bags of sand on AliExpress, will people be debating whether they sound as good as the originals?

Quote I had a gig a couple of weeks ago with a "Big Band" - drums, bass, guitar, keyboards, 2 x trumpets, trombone -- & 3 singers


That is just a band with a brass section. You need the brass/wind section to be in double figure to describe it as big.
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Yes, it's like the art market. 
About 20 years ago when I was doing a lot of corporate events, I remember some Turner Prize launches.  We all had a good laugh at the stuff on show. And I suspected that at least one of the artists was secretly taking the p*ss out of the whole business (while raking in millions).
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the hi-fi stuff is nonsense but you really can hear the difference between a P-audio and a Faital HF1460
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"That is just a band with a brass section. You need the brass/wind section to be in double figure to describe it as big."


If they were all over 6' & 18 stone, does that count?  LOL LOL LOL

And anything more than the classic 3-piece is too big for me!! 




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Paradoxically I suppose if you can't tell the difference between an £85 P-audio comp and a demonstrably measurably better '£350 faital one these extortionately priced hifi foo tweaks aren't for you. In the case of the Entreq products people are either gullible or buying an audiophile badge that suggests they must be golden eared. I'm incline to believe the former. Phoneyopathy.

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