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Originally posted by midas midas wrote:

The only problem being. If after being vaccinated you are still unlucky enough to catch the damn thing, the effects are 10 times worse. 


Can you explain this further please?
“The fact is this is about identifying what we do best and finding more ways of doing less of it better”
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Originally posted by csg csg wrote:

Originally posted by midas midas wrote:

The only problem being. If after being vaccinated you are still unlucky enough to catch the damn thing, the effects are 10 times worse. 


Can you explain this further please?

Antibody dependant enhancement. The next trick antivaxxers have up their sleeve. Google it. No ADE is encountered in trials at this time.
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Yes I read that, which is very encouraging.
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Originally posted by APW APW wrote:

Originally posted by Noyzmunky Noyzmunky wrote:

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Why do you need to vaccinate against a disease with 99.8% full recovery rate?
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The death rate for covid 19 is about 0.9%...

however “not dead” doesn’t mean fully “recovered”, about 45% of those who need hospital treatment for covid need ongoing support in excess of 8 weeks…. And any long term effects are completely unknown.



Its the same as any other respiratory illnesses
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Thanks for the info, very interesting 
“The fact is this is about identifying what we do best and finding more ways of doing less of it better”
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Originally posted by midas midas wrote:

Talk of another full lockdown...whoop, if only people could have done what they were asked to do.in the first place.



see Wales......
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Originally posted by woody2 woody2 wrote:

Originally posted by snowflake snowflake wrote:

Originally posted by woody2 woody2 wrote:

By easter they aim to vaccinate the vulnerable.......taking the power off the lockdown nutters will be the biggest problem.


Originally posted by woody2 woody2 wrote:

Chance of a vaccine is nil- only happened once in human history
4th August 2020

stop flapping your mouth LOL


In case you missed it- non of the vaccines are 100% effectiveWink only happened once in human historyOuch

keep trying.......


I know no vaccine is 100% effective. every schoolchild who pays any attention knows that. What's this once in human history you are wittering on about? Smallpox? The smallpox vaccine isn't 100% effective either. That's not how vaccines work to erradicate disease. And what's the significance of something only happening once in human history? If you think about it there was always a point where anything that has been done had NEVER been done before in human history.
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Originally posted by snowflake snowflake wrote:

Originally posted by woody2 woody2 wrote:

Originally posted by APW APW wrote:

Originally posted by Noyzmunky Noyzmunky wrote:

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Why do you need to vaccinate against a disease with 99.8% full recovery rate?
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The death rate for covid 19 is about 0.9%...

however “not dead” doesn’t mean fully “recovered”, about 45% of those who need hospital treatment for covid need ongoing support in excess of 8 weeks…. And any long term effects are completely unknown.



Its the same as any other respiratory illnesses


it's not just a respiratory illness, it also affects the heart and digestive system.
regardless of that no one knows the long term effects as we have only had significant numbers of people recovering for a few months.
most other respiratory illnesses aren't highly infectious.
at any point the virus can mutate. so far we have seen a couple of mutations that have made it more infections. It could also mutate to become more deadly. Constantly hoping for the best and that this doesn't happen is grossly negligent.

you are dangerously stupid along with about 20% fo the country who have fucked things for the rest of us. Cry
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Its classed as a respiratory illnessLOL

No new side effects have been found according to SAGE/WHO clearly you know better.

SAGE have no evidence that restrictions work (2 weeks ago giving evidence to mp's) if you have some pass it on to them.....

See wales (and now london) for what happens when political idiots play with peoples health......

why not try labours "circuit breaker"
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''The death rate for covid 19 is about 0.9%...''

Oh yes, sorry, I forgot anyone hit by a bus within 60 days of getting a flawed PCR test died from convid... also anyone who died from....anything, within SIXTY DAYS of a flawed test... Died from convid..

If you wear a mask when you go out for any other reason than fashion you are striking a blow for ignorance everywhere. A blow for psychological gaslighting and a blow to your immune system. Well done for not being able to recognise governmental abuse at it's most basic level. 2+2=5.... remember, it's the truth you are told, not the one you see....

The idea that antivaxxers need tricks is laughable. A movement that literally only asks for very basic answers to very basic questions before bowing to non specific medical treatments... turns out to be as bad as terrorists. Just for questioning a trade that makes 20/1 profit and doesn't charge the end user... Crazy eh?

Edited by Noyzmunky - 29 December 2020 at 4:59pm
my name is Inigo Montoya...you killed my father, prepare to die!.
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Altough i do think it is impossible to talk reason into you i have one question: what was the last year you remember in which you lost three friends to a simple respiratory illnes, lost a mother of a friend who had her life shortened due to less effective treatment due to no beds available, had your father at the brink of death to the simple respiratory illness and had a 40-year old superhealthy co-worker get a brain aneurism weeks after his respiratory illness AND have almost all people in the village with the same stories? If the answer is: well, thats just how it is in my village, than i will start discussing. Totalitarian regime... its a shame you use this term for the bunch at the top which are clearly not in control when real totalitarian-like regimes Still run factories which produce our iphones and sh*t.. but it’s easier protesting by NOT wearing a mask instead of not having any modern device..

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