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    Posted: 07 October 2020 at 9:37am
Hi to all SP members. A new member here.
I am building a 4 way sound system to play traditional foundation roots reggae but also modern reggae and digital dub. Sometimes I could play DnB too.

It's from a while that I'm reading and searching on SP forum. I would like to post here some screenshot I've collected that are specifically related to the subject of this thread. So I can show you what information I have already collected. Most of messages are from mr Levyte.
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I'm still undecided between Void v18-1000 and B&C 18tbx100. I am building 4x classic 18 mogale superscooper and I have to choice one driver to load them.

In particular I'm interested in opinions for each of this subject:

  • SPL (from comments around SP it looks like Void wins)
  • MUSICALITY (to me it's very important. I like the "dirty" sound of scoops, that wrap your body. But I also wants B-line to be very clear so that you can hear every bass note, not only in the upper bass but also in sub)
  • DEPTH what low frequencies can those driver reproduce with energy? I've read a message by Mr. Levyte on SP in wich he says something like "I would never HPF scoops to 30HZ cause I like them working at the end of night". So you cross them at 35? Very low notes are very important to me. As I stated, I would play traditional foundation roots reggae but also lot's of modern roots and digital dub.
  • DURABILITY it looks like 18tbx100 it's not very strong. Is it true? Is void known to be stronger?
  • PRICE Void costs about 110€ more than B&C according to best prices I could find in EU stores. Is there any quality reason behind this difference? 18tbx100 price is very attractive.
  • ...MORE If you think there's more to consider, please let me knkow.


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Would suggest for your purposes,

Build these Scoops, kindly provided by Mykey:

https://forum.speakerplans.com/fane-scaled-up_topic74640.html

Will work with large number of the best Scoop drivers.

Especially original version PD1850
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Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Would suggest for your purposes,

Build these Scoops, kindly provided by Mykey:

https://forum.speakerplans.com/fane-scaled-up_topic74640. - https://forum.speakerplans.com/fane-scaled-up_topic74640.html

Will work with large number of the best Scoop drivers.

Especially original version PD1850
Thanks for  your suggestion mr Levyte.

PD1850 is too expensive. Why did you suggest the mykey design over original mogale superscooper design? Any particular reason? Could you please provide additional information in the comparison between void and B&C drivers? I know you tested lot's of scoops design and drivers in the last years.
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You can only get the PD1850 series 1 (Mk1 and Mk2) used now, they stopped making them years ago.

In UK, you can probably buy freshly reconed Series 1 PD1850s, for £280.

Suggest you forget all about the B&C 18TBX100 for your purposes, For years most Heavy Dub Sounds used PD1850s in Scoops similar to Mykeys.
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Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

You can only get the PD1850 series 1 (Mk1 and Mk2) used now, they stopped making them years ago.

In UK, you can probably buy freshly reconed Series 1 PD1850s, for £280.

Suggest you forget all about the B&C 18TBX100 for your purposes, For years most Heavy Dub Sounds used PD1850s in Scoops similar to Mykeys.
Precision Devices, as you said, stopped making PD 1850. I would avoid used drivers. And I would like to be able to recone my drivers, if needed, in next years. So I'm not considering PD.

Why sould I forget 18tbx100 for my purposes? What can't 18tbx100 specifically do? Be loud? Reproduce low ends?

Anyway, I could get Voids. Do they sound musical? It's very important to me.

Also, before build any design, I would like to know how the sound this design produces changes. Specifically: let's say we have 4X superscoop and 4x mykey scoop, everything Void v18-1000 loaded. What difference there should be between the two stacks?


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get the voids , i used the B N C in small chamber scoops , just sound very regular untill they buckled v1000 sounds amazing in small chamber cabs  
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Originally posted by paulus paulus wrote:

get the voids , i used the B N C in small chamber scoops , just sound very regular untill they buckled v1000 sounds amazing in small chamber cabs  


If dude has mind made up on Superscoopers, Voids would be one of the top  drivers in it.

However I think more drivers would work well in the Mykey Scoop.

Voids in Mykey Scoop would be real loud, louder than PD1850, but just need "few measures", to ensure warmth.

Sure a few 18sounds drivers, will pound in Mykey Scoop as well.
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Void will be fine, its powerfull enough to work in most boxes without struggling

BUT

its easier to get recone kits for B&C from wat i remember

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youll likely be reconing B&C more oftem than Void if your playing hooligan dub !!
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Originally posted by Tweeter_Box Tweeter_Box wrote:

youll likely be reconing B&C more oftem than Void if your playing hooligan dub !!


"B&C 18TBX100 is the most blown driver in Southall"

Wonder who said that !!

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Originally posted by Tweeter_Box Tweeter_Box wrote:

Void will be fine, its powerfull enough to work in most boxes without struggling

BUT

its easier to get recone kits for B&C from wat i remember

ALSO

youll likely be reconing B&C more oftem than Void if your playing hooligan dub !!
I have a friend that owns different kind of speakers from years. Not a sound system, I'm talking about 2 or 3 way audio systems mostly used for live events or techno dj set. He never reconed a driver in his entire life. He is very careful with limiters, clipping and he uses good quality amplifiers.

In SP I often read about the recone "problem". Why? I mean, why lot's of reggae/dub sound system owners, at a certain point needs to recone their driver? 
I can understand that modern digital dub it's very heavy on low frequencies.. but if you are carefull with limiters you should preserve drivers life. Am I wrong? Maybe I'm not considering something?
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Originally posted by levyte357- levyte357- wrote:

Originally posted by paulus paulus wrote:

get the voids , i used the B N C in small chamber scoops , just sound very regular untill they buckled v1000 sounds amazing in small chamber cabs  


If dude has mind made up on Superscoopers, Voids would be one of the top  drivers in it.

However I think more drivers would work well in the Mykey Scoop.

Voids in Mykey Scoop would be real loud, louder than PD1850, but just need "few measures", to ensure warmth.

Sure a few 18sounds drivers, will pound in Mykey Scoop as well.
"few measures"? are you talking about crossover points / eq?
and moreover: Which 18sound driver are you talking about?

Anyway, if so much people is happy with Void and superscooper, I think I could go with them. I just hope they will go low enougth. At what frequencies would you HPF 4xVoid in superscooper to find a good compromise between sub notes and overexcursion?
Thank you for your patience, I know I have lot's of questions


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Very important question, not mentioned.

What amplifier do you intend to power 4x Void V18-1000s with?
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