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Sypa 
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 Posted: 19 July 2020 at 12:42pm |
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Hogs have that meat under 40hz that i never heard a classic scoop do ,no matter the numbers.
Even those 12 sinai scoops didnt do IT for me under 40hz.
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levyte357-
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Posted: 19 July 2020 at 1:51pm |
Think the Hog systems I have heard, were not setup right then, because they all seemed to be tuned high. Even if I am playing with Scoops in stacks of 4x, I won't HPF lower than 38hz, as it allows me to put 1kw thru each cab, and not be concerned at all. And it inevitably sounds lower anyway. Many crews don't know how to really tune and operate Scoop systems, giving Scoops a bad name. |
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Sypa
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Posted: 19 July 2020 at 2:24pm |
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And it seems many crews dont know how to tune and operate hogs giving them a bad name hhehe, jokes. Not trying to make this a hog vs classic scoop thing ,but thats a fact scoops just cant hit as hard as hogs under 40 hz, they play something but it aint as full and powerful. Nothing wrong with that as scoops make up for it in the upper notes, I myself prefer hogs. If youre playing older reggae/dub i think theres no need to go lower than E1 41hz ever if at all. Last scoop system i heard before lockdown was King Alpha with 6 scoops (not sure of the design,stravens?). Now he could really use hogs as theres lots and lots of sub 40hz information in his tunes, IMO the stack didnt deliver the goods down low. |
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Tonskulus
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Posted: 21 July 2020 at 5:01pm |
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True. HOG does play lower and it does it louder than traditional scoop because it is tuned lower (longer horn path and bigger mouth). What is the best enclosure then? Its up to requirements but overall I prefer hogs.
Even 4-6 horizonally stacked, properly driven hogs will make enormous power alley for a good amount of distance and also what matters is, sound quality is not bad at all. |
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bob4
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Posted: 22 July 2020 at 8:20am |
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Have to say, i have heard hogs just once, recently, outside. Polar bear scoops I have experienced many times, mostly inside, once outside. I find it hard to believe that the physically larger polar bear would NOT go as low as the hog.
The Hogs(stack of four) were delivering, but probably high passed conservatively, with cutoff just under 40 hz according to spectroid on my samsung a50. Nice balanced system overall with usbs and some turbo/f1 midhigh section(memory failing  )Polar bears on the other hand do have authority, especially inside, and considering my mates run them on mere prolines.....
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levyte357-
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Posted: 22 July 2020 at 8:45am |
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Before lockdown, none of the top 5x UK Dub sounds used Hogs.
These are guys, who have pockets deep enough to buy Powersoft X8, X4L. And regularly filled Scala in London, with sub starting approx 35hz-38hz, most using 6-8x conventional Scoops. Blanket statements like Conventional Scoops can't do lower than 40hz, are imbecilic, as different Scoops, with different drivers, driven with different outboard, pre-amp, power amps, and depending on engineer, can accomplish different things. Edited by levyte357- - 22 July 2020 at 8:46am |
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levyte357-
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Posted: 22 July 2020 at 8:58am |
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Another thing to consider, the average punter, who goes to a dub gig, can't tell, if a stack of 4x Scoops is Hpf'd at 35hz or 45hz, if each Scoop is getting real 1kw.
These would be at least 90% of the crowd. So many crews who get high profile gigs, like Aba Shanti, Channel One, Jah Tubbys, may not be hugely strong in the 30-40hz, but uber strong down to 38hz, and go home with pocket full of cash, and no drivers blown, and crowd shook to bits, and very happy. |
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bob4
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Posted: 22 July 2020 at 9:13am |
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Having spent some time listening to classic 70ies roots and dub, while looking at an rta, i conclude that <40hz bass notes are rare but do occasionally happen, maybe in 1 out of 10 tunes. 80ies onwards more frequent.
Bass drums are more likely to have strong sub 40 hz energy than actual bass guitar notes going there. But i have to concur with Lev, if your system is just 3-6 dB down 30-40, most people will not notice or care. Edited by bob4 - 22 July 2020 at 11:26am |
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Sinai Sound
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Posted: 25 July 2020 at 7:33pm |
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A big pile of polars WILL do below 40hz, I know, I've measured it
But if you consider in Croatia I had another month on the road afterwards, I had my HPF set slightly higher than you'd think (just like Lev is suggesting), as they were getting paneled for hours every day, it preserves driver life. All the kind comments from hundreds of people, showed that most don't care if it doesn't play vaguely low We had some hogs in the warehouse up until recently, and for reggae and dub they didn't sound "right" somehow. But for other genres such as jungle, they seemed to suit it better somehow. Bloody awful box to move about btw. In reggae and dub, there's not that many tunes that have stuff below 40hz (prophecy is NOT that low btw) It's dubstep that'll do most of the crazy low notes, around 35hz-39hz If I get bored when I'm back in Sheffield I'll measure 4 polar scoops with no HPF and see how low they play (even though I have the measurements from the guy that made them) ************************************************* Also, in response to the original post, THIS is my favourite design
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Sinai Sound
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Posted: 25 July 2020 at 7:36pm |
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I'd like to hear some of these though... Anyone game? . 
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Sypa
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Posted: 25 July 2020 at 7:51pm |
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Offcourse they Will ,no one said polars or any other scoop doesnt do anything below 40hz . Just there is some weight missing there that a hog can deliver.
Agree also that i was probably the only idiot there thinking wow those under 40 notes dont feel as heavy or whatever i was bickering about in my mind  . |
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Sinai Sound
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Posted: 25 July 2020 at 8:04pm |
Oh these can, I just chose to choose extending the life of my drivers for another month of hard punishment haha My friend told me that the sub was shaking the ear plugs out of his ears....I'd say they were working. Especially compared the the clearing haha I do know what you're saying about the hogs though, even if they drop vaguely lower (maybe) what the polar does above it, is waaaay more fun to my ears. Personal opinion and all that
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