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Xoc1 ![]() Registered User ![]() Joined: 15 October 2012 Location: Devon UK Status: Offline Points: 338 |
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Maybe as a test try using the mixer on the DSP out and then into the Peavey to see if you can get enough drive signal? Looked for info on the MiniDSP output level but not found anything other than its supposedly balanced TRS jack out.
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Jarba ![]() Registered User ![]() Joined: 11 November 2021 Status: Offline Points: 23 |
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I don’t think that would help, seeing as the signal is already reaches clipping from the mixer if I turn it up too loud. Or did I misunderstand your idea?
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smitske96 ![]() Young Croc ![]() Joined: 16 February 2016 Location: The Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 1009 |
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Any phone microphone is not suitable to measure any SPL.
Second, the room is always a big factor. To gain the most from your sub, put it in a corner. Reading your other posts, I doubt a different design will fix your problem.
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Jarba ![]() Registered User ![]() Joined: 11 November 2021 Status: Offline Points: 23 |
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Yeah the phone was just to get an approximation. We had it in a corner in the past, but it still gets cancelled a lot in the middle where the people are.
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Jarba ![]() Registered User ![]() Joined: 11 November 2021 Status: Offline Points: 23 |
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We are maybe getting a stipend we could use to get one more driver. Would a horn solution be optimal for 2 drivers in such a small place?
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smitske96 ![]() Young Croc ![]() Joined: 16 February 2016 Location: The Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 1009 |
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You will get that same cancellation with any other cabinet. It is just not possible to have perfect coverage in such a room.
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toastyghost ![]() The 10,000 Points Club ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 January 2007 Location: Manchester Status: Offline Points: 10883 |
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Not true. Up to around 100 dBZ, iPhone MEMS microphones since the iPhone 4 are within 2dB of professional meters, if the app is using compensation data. StudioSixDigital AudioTools, SPLnFFT and the free NIOSH app were the best, when I did a round-robin study on this to help venue owners do cost-effective monitoring of during COVID. They do saturate with high amounts of bass, however, due to the physical sizing of the cavity. Android phones are a wash. A cheap Samsung outperformed the flagship by some margin in a study from 2016.
Multiple small subs distributed around the space on their own DSP channels, and a tool like MultiSubOptimizer (MSO) makes a huge difference. Free and easy to use with inexpensive kit. Edited by toastyghost - 05 May 2022 at 11:55am |
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Jarba ![]() Registered User ![]() Joined: 11 November 2021 Status: Offline Points: 23 |
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Yeah I used the NIOSH app, did you do the study I found it from? https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32108336/
So building another 18 could solve our problem? I’ll play around with placement and see if theres a decent place to put it. I heard about putting the sub in the listening position, and then put it at the spot it sounds best. Does this work? If so I’ll go around with the db meter and put it where it’s loudest Edited by Jarba - 05 May 2022 at 11:59am |
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smitske96 ![]() Young Croc ![]() Joined: 16 February 2016 Location: The Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 1009 |
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@toasty
He will reach that 100dBZ with ease, so I should have probably made my statement a bit more clear. Second, talking just one cabinet, the problem will stay. Multiple smaller subs with correct processing is a different story as you described.
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toastyghost ![]() The 10,000 Points Club ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 January 2007 Location: Manchester Status: Offline Points: 10883 |
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No, my work was for a degree module so is unpublished - although the results were used as part of some larger work at the time. If you're using the NIOSH app, make sure you change the weighting in the app setting from the default of dBA to either dBC or dBZ. Not doing that will mean your readings are filtering out the majority of bass content, which would explain the discrepancy against the levels you expect. dBZ is unweighted, although dBC is closer to what you'll perceive in a loud gig environment. From memory, the NIOSH app will display "CLIP" on the screen if the mic is saturated. As for the method of putting the sub in the listening position, yes this works perfectly well via the principle of reciprocity. It's less effective with a larger listening area such as a venue than it is when you can plonk the speaker on your chair or sofa, though. If you do want to give it a go, it would be best to do this with a continuous pink noise stimulus into the sub. Your auditory memory is very short, and you'll struggle to hear the dips in response as you move around the room with music playing. It would also be best to use some app or method to save the frequency responses at the various positions. Mark those - either put something bright on the floor, or make a floor plan doodle - and repeat the test at the same locations with the sub placed in three or more spots across the listening area. You want >9 measurement positions per source position to characterise the response of a space. The SPLnFFT app is only a few quid, and you're only concerned about the relative changes in response from location to location so using your phone in 'unweighted' is fine. |
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Jarba ![]() Registered User ![]() Joined: 11 November 2021 Status: Offline Points: 23 |
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Okay, so I should put the sub in 3 different locations, then measure out 9 different places in the listening area for each of the locations? So 27 measurements in total? And what would I do with the result? How would I go from there? Sounds really interesting and I’m thinking of giving it a go
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