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topcat
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No, I got your point. But honestly,if things like Milo are sounding rubbish under your command, I can assure you that you are doing it wrong, not the system.
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+1. Especially if you limit to systems of comparable cost :)
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Where does the 'unnatural' lift come from then? Are the wings purely cosmetic? I agree on the inherent instability being the root of good manoeuvrability (like too steep head angle on motorbike gives fast turn in, but lots of tank slappers - hence steering dampers), but a wing is a wing is a wing, and must provide lift in some degree to get off the ground. It might require high airflow or high angle of attack (or both) but it still possesses a 'natural' lift property. |
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Daveswindog
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This particular system was designed, implemented, installed and setup by The man himself. Sorry, it just sounds like it's trying to push too much, like I said though, that's my ears. This has been my experience using, listening and being involved with it. Back to the topic. |
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It's wings obviously have the ability to position themselves in a position so as to create lift (I am sure you understand - by increasing air speed over the top side of the wing)... one of the perks of it being deliberately based on the control system positioning the foreplanes (the shark fin shaped things at the front) and flaperons (the flaps-cross-ailerons at the back, since it's a Delta Wing) with little lift in the wing's 'neutral' position is that it flys just as well upside down as it does upright. Perhaps my original description was a bit poor, but essentially traditionally aircraft wings are designed to induce lift in their normal position, the Typhoon's do not do this, and have to be adjusted into position to perform a lift (or indeed any other) function. The instability induced by the neutral position of the surfaces is that they make thousands of adjustments each second to maintain steady flight - hence why the aircraft is all fly-by-wire, no human pilot could make that number (and complexity) of adjustments manually.
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All I meant is if you don't like the sound of it, then the term is "I don't like it" and that's fine. But to say something is rubbish when it is clearly not, credited by the fact that it's the first choice of many if not most international opera houses and recital halls; is factually incorrect and silly.
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The reason the Typhoon can barely fly is to give it agility. It can turn tighter than pretty much anything. |
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Is that not what I said?
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Sorry, yes rereading it was. My bad, i have talked with the guys who fly them so just repeating what they said.
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[/QUOTE] All I meant is if you don't like the sound of it, then the term is "I don't like it" and that's fine. But to say something is rubbish when it is clearly not, credited by the fact that it's the first choice of many if not most international opera houses and recital halls; is factually incorrect and silly. [/QUOTE] Yes, that's how I started. I've just answered your questions. Personally I'd prefer my workhouse to be simple: for example, your plane analogy. If, these systems are in place to enable this to fly, and the system was to fall over, seems to me there would be an unusable lump of metal falling out of the sky. Of course there will be redundancy but Same with a PA that is heavly processed. There's always a compromise, therefore, why not strive to perfect something before the need to correct it by adding anomalies and distortion added by processing. |
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All I meant is if you don't like the sound of it, then the term is "I don't like it" and that's fine. But to say something is rubbish when it is clearly not, credited by the fact that it's the first choice of many if not most international opera houses and recital halls; is factually incorrect and silly. [/QUOTE] Yes, that's how I started. I've just answered your questions. Personally I'd prefer my workhouse to be simple: for example, your plane analogy. If, these systems are in place to enable this to fly, and the system was to fall over, seems to me there would be an unusable lump of metal falling out of the sky. Of course there will be redundancy but Same with a PA that is heavly processed. There's always a compromise, therefore, why not strive to perfect something before the need to correct it by adding anomalies and distortion added by processing.[/QUOTE] Amen |
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topcat
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With the aircraft - you are correct, the computers go down and it will be heading earthwards very quickly with no control at all. But this is a result of the aircraft's manufacturers - in the Typhoon's case, several contributors from companies who have built some incredible things from tanks to aircraft carriers and everything in between - deciding that it's not a compromise per se, it (giving the aircraft any aerodynamic stability) is a direct hinderance to it's agility. Frankly, I refuse to believe that people like Meyer, L'Acoustics and D&B are simply incapable of producing acoustically perfect box designs. Indeed Martin used to take the no-processing approach, and have moved to more processed systems with their latest product and there seems to be a more or less unanimous agreement that the newer is the better sounding. Perhaps, contrary to your own belief, the PA manufacturing industry has discovered - since Floodlight - that the way to get optimum sound reproduction from a wooden enclosure is to design it with electronic processing in mind which is able to get the best from the box? There is big competition between the major manufacturers and frankly were there any merit in the no-processing kind of design, I am sure people would be focussing their efforts in that region rather than straying from it.
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