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   Hi folks,

before the hack, i read that 1 X1 can outdo a G sub.

The G-sub is very similar to the 'Zeck 218' sub.  We use 1 'Zeck
218' sub with one 'Zeck Focus 21522' top a side for gigs up to 1500
people indoor.  That is 2k a side or 4k total.  The Zeck subs
are loaded with RCF L18 P300 drivers. The venue can be up to 25 X 15
meters.  And it sounds loud and good.

So if the X1 is as loud as the G-sub and the G-sub is similar to the
Zeck 218, I would say 1 X1 a side with a good top would be sufficient
for a gig as i described above.

Here's a picture of our carnival in februari 2003. Not as loud as Rog's but it was nice. 

http://www.delandloepers.be/album/albums/userpics/10002/bu s%2022-02-2004%20036.jpg

2xZeck 218 + 2xZeck 21522 at the back of the bus.

4xZeck 218 in the bus.

4xZeck 21522 on top of the bus.

I guess about 13k

Regards,

Jochen

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Jogge Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Registered User Joined: 09 August 2004 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 63	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jogge Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 September 2004 at 8:36am
	Hi folks, before the hack, i read that 1 X1 can outdo a G sub. The G-sub is very similar to the 'Zeck 218' sub. We use 1 'Zeck 218' sub with one 'Zeck Focus 21522' top a side for gigs up to 1500 people indoor. That is 2k a side or 4k total. The Zeck subs are loaded with RCF L18 P300 drivers. The venue can be up to 25 X 15 meters. And it sounds loud and good. So if the X1 is as loud as the G-sub and the G-sub is similar to the Zeck 218, I would say 1 X1 a side with a good top would be sufficient for a gig as i described above. Here's a picture of our carnival in februari 2003. Not as loud as Rog's but it was nice. http://www.delandloepers.be/album/albums/userpics/10002/bu s%2022-02-2004%20036.jpg 2xZeck 218 + 2xZeck 21522 at the back of the bus. 4xZeck 218 in the bus. 4xZeck 21522 on top of the bus. I guess about 13k Regards, Jochen
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Jogge Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Registered User Joined: 09 August 2004 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 63	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jogge Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 September 2004 at 8:39am
	Link seems to be broken. This on should work: carnival
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whitehousejamie Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Young Croc Joined: 08 March 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1485	Post Options Post Reply Quote whitehousejamie Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 September 2004 at 10:55am
	Hi Jochen, What do you cross your subs over at though? If its around 140 - 160hz, you can get away with doing live band work. But....as the X1 is crossed over at no more than 80hz, you need a design like the HD15 to cover the kick drum area and up to around 140hz. If you run your MID / HI's down to 80hz, you wont get much kick, especially if you are using a 12in Mid driver. Jamie

Dedreun Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Registered User Joined: 16 September 2004 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 3	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dedreun Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 September 2004 at 9:04pm
	Thanks for replying. E-mail notfication not working? Anyway, maybe i gave the wrong info. (I`m not english) This link will show the active set they have. For bigger events they rent. Is it correct that the X1 has to be crossed at 80hz? I`m looking for a sub that goes to about 200-250hz. I alway`s filter out frequency`s below 40hz on the main and monitors. (rumble) Qoute: "you need a design like the HD15 to cover the kick drum area" Exactly! So, we just want to add 2 subs to get more low end. Dedreun

whitehousejamie Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Young Croc Joined: 08 March 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1485	Post Options Post Reply Quote whitehousejamie Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 September 2004 at 9:11pm
	Hi, Yes, the X1 will only work up to 80hz. The only designs that will work up to 200 - 250hz are Reflex type designs, which wont be as efficient as a Bandpass or Horn. So, you just want to add some low end to your exsisting system?

Dedreun Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Registered User Joined: 16 September 2004 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 3	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dedreun Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 September 2004 at 9:30pm
	That`s correct Jamie, I understand now that a bandpass won`t do the job because of the narrow band. We also would like to keep it compact. W-620mm - D-566mm -H-600mm would be ideal, but the hight can vary. It`s for small gig`s and we don`t like to carry to much. (Who does?) Do you think a simple reflex can do the job? The Lem Pegasus set is also a reflex type. Thnx. Dedreun

whitehousejamie Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Young Croc Joined: 08 March 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1485	Post Options Post Reply Quote whitehousejamie Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 September 2004 at 11:56pm
	How about just copying the subs you use at the moment, giving you 2 per side? If not, you can download WinISD and design your own cabinet. Jamie

Hobbyist2004 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Registered User Joined: 06 July 2004 Status: Offline Points: 99	Post Options Post Reply Quote Hobbyist2004 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 September 2004 at 2:27am
	Hi, My first X1 is finally complete, and I have to say that it truely is a Bass Monster. Well, in the sense that it blows away my first reflex design. I think I'll stick with the 2-X1's per side with 2-HD15's and 1-X12 on top. This was the most interesting box I've built to date, but I'm anxious to finish my set and start on the HD15 to cover the 80hz-150hz. Thanks again Rog, great design. I have to say that besides the great sound, these plans are rewarding to build.

dlsbobby Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Registered User Joined: 28 June 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 76	Post Options Post Reply Quote dlsbobby Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 September 2004 at 3:18am
	Hobbyist, glad to hear things worked out. I take it you're happy you went with the P-Audio driver? I wish I'de have known about them before I bought all the Eminence stuff. Where did you end up buying it from? FWIW, I finished one HD-15 and it's a good little thumper.(Kappa pro 15LF). Are you going to put the C-15 600EL in the HD's? I think I remember Rog saying that it was the best driver for that. When you build the HD-15 let me know if you had to modify the baffle. One tip on the HD-15, make sure your access panel is large enough. I know that sounds stupid but you have to tilt the speaker forward towards the baffle to install and I made mine an inch too short and had to re-cut. Rock on, Robert.

whitehousejamie Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Young Croc Joined: 08 March 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1485	Post Options Post Reply Quote whitehousejamie Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 September 2004 at 4:45am
	Hi, As you are using subs underneath, the C15 500LF is the best driver for the HD15. The 600 EL driver would work, but has a higher Qts and lower BL, meaning it will have less control of its cone. In smaller stacks of HD15, when not using subs underneath, the BM 15LF is the better choice, as it goes slightly lower. Jamie

dlsbobby Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Registered User Joined: 28 June 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 76	Post Options Post Reply Quote dlsbobby Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 September 2004 at 5:09am
	Jamie, thanks for correcting that. My bad. Rock on. Robert.

Carl Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Registered User Joined: 03 September 2004 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 4	Post Options Post Reply Quote Carl Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 September 2004 at 7:26am
	Hi all, I have built a pair of X1's and they are very much to my liking! As for the casters, i have just put them on the back, two of them on the door offcourse. I have made the door as wide as the cab. so i have a little more space then in the original design here.
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