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    Posted: 23 June 2012 at 11:05am
If anyone saw the programme of the last Ziggy Stardust gig shown last night on BBC4,it was recorded in 1973 at the Hammersmith Odeon.

Any guesses to the vintage PA? This is a screen shot i took friom the programme,WEM cabinets,and to the side,main PA,looks to be a pair of large JBL radials on top of what could be 4560's?



The whole concert is here.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0074nrj/Ziggy_Stardust_and_the_Spiders_from_Mars/


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The only thing I can add to this, is that his PA company was called Ground Control, and in the early '80's bought a load of Concert System cabs. This was when they were working independently.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote odc04r Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 June 2012 at 10:03am
I would like to see a modern H&S bods take on that stack and venue

Will have to catch up with that program though, always time for Bowie.
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Originally posted by TONY.A.S.S. TONY.A.S.S. wrote:

The only thing I can add to this, is that his PA company was called Ground Control, and in the early '80's bought a load of Concert System cabs. This was when they were working independently.



Yes, I think Ground Gontrol was owned by DB's management company and run by Robin Mayhew and somebody else, and Mike Turner was involved somehow. They had a lot of his amplifiers.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Disco Stu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 June 2012 at 12:03am
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jazomir Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 June 2012 at 9:41am
Useful link here: http://www.5years.com/robinmayhew.htm. Bowie used a Turner PA (not the horn loaded version, the reflex version) for quite a while - as has been mentioned in previous threads, he was at one stage going to use it in a 'Wall of Sound'  fashion.
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Thanks Trevor,that very interesting,what i thought were WEM full range cabinets next to the bigger PA were actually Turner built cabinets....


How many speakers did you use and what type?

The usual configuration consisted of sixteen 1x15" full-range reflex cabinets (20hz to as high as they'd go) - eight 1x10"(200hz to as high as they'd go) and sixteen 075 tweeters (5Khz upward). All drivers were JBL. Sometimes at larger venues such as the Rainbow, Finsbury Park and Hammersmith Odeon, twenty-four 1x15"s would be used. The amplifiers were Turner A500s and A300s and the total output of the standard sixteen cabinet rig would be no more than 3,500KW.

The system looked immaculate with all the speaker cabinets matching and covered in black vinyl with aluminium strips round the edges and this also suited the theatrical nature of the shows. The first mixer consisted of 12 channels only but was soon upgraded to 24. Believe it or not the echo facility was a Watkins Copy Cat tape-loop machine and that was the only sound-effect we used. At the beginning of the Ziggy touring period there were no on-stage monitors but with the wall of sound concept the band could hear the mix very well from their stage positions.


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I can confirm that I used a Turner system for the first 12 months of Bowie's Ziggy Stardust project. To begin with I had 16 full range reflex cabinets (8 each side of stage) which were wired in series with two Crown amplifiers modified by Turner driving them. The output was quite low but the overall movement of air was considerable and made for a unique audience experience with a full but comfortable volume ideal for the theatrics on stage.  When we toured the US I used Claire Brothers and a standard horn loaded JBL system which though good was a little harsh but using it made me realise that when we got back to the UK and playing larger venues I would need some extra throw.  Turner developed 1 X 10" horn loaded cabinets 4 each side and we added a bunch of 075 tweeters also Turner had now got his own amplifiers into production and we switch from Crown to his A500s for the reflex cabs and the A300s for te 1X10" and tweeters.

As the company I formed called Ground Control grew so I and the crew began building our own speaker cabinets and rather copied the Claire Brother 2X12" horn loaded mid range unit which was a huge success during later tours and also bought in the JBL 4550 bass bins and 2440 horns.  I also designed and built our own 'W' bins. The picture of Ziggy's last gig shows the faithful Turner reflex cabinets and the JBL units to the outside of the rig.  Oddly the picture is the same capture that I have done for the recording I made that night in July 1973 and it's available in my music store at www.robinmayhew.co.uk where there is also a Ground Control Gallery page.  The TURNER PA system was certainly a brilliant concept and gave me such a great start to my engineering career.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bams Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 May 2015 at 11:46pm
As i read your site you engineered for lou reed AND Ziggy stardust during their most creative periods ?
Some people would give an arm and a leg for that :) great looking Rigs by the way, how can one not love multicell horns!

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coincidentally this popped up in my feed this morning


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Nachural Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 May 2015 at 7:46pm
Does anyone have more info on the turner rig? I remember the amplifiers very well but wasn't aware of his PA systems.
it's all just cardboard and magnets really
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