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I still don't really understand the motivation for this design. Is there a particular reason you need it in certain dimensions that necessitate this layout or is it just for the novelty of the design process?

How much SPL do you need, what exactly are the constraints?
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Thanks for all the replies!

I understand it's not perfect that's why i'm still working on it and try to get as much info as i can get before building a prototype. I only made sketch's to see if its possible.

Because i'm a mobile dj i wan't to make a cabinet that's not to big (good to handle) en is loud so i can use it for all kind of venues. 

It's a bit like Peter Morris make a small cabinet that can play with the big boys.

I saw on the forum of Peter that he also uses the 4593he from about 600/650hz. (rcf hf950 horn)
so i start changing the cabinet so the horn mount is a bit bigger 2x  40x20cm
this allows me to strech the xover point to 650/700hz. 
box size 70x40x55cm   WxHxD


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote bob4 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 January 2018 at 9:45am
But whats the benefit of this form factor? Your cab is very big, but the horn mouth is too small. It also appears to be a complicated build with lots of angled cuts etc... Why not copy the peter Morris layout? I
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70x40x55 is a big box. 

What I'm wondering is do you really need the benefit of two drivers? You can get really quite loud with a 1x12 horn loaded midtop and could buy a superlative 12" driver capable of taking a tonne of juice for the price of two decent 10's. The cabinet would be deeper but overall dimensions would be the same or less.

The build would be miles simpler, the cabinet would be lighter, and you might only lose about 4dB total SPL. Depending on how much smaller and lighter you could make it, and your total cost of components, you might consider building twice as many of the simpler box, so as to have extra for the times when you really needed them. Or more practically, wait until your lack of SPL becomes a real issue before building more.

The other advantage of the two box solution is that you could increase your flexibility for wide HF dispersion or multi-room/wide area coverage when necessary, and the horn coupling on the low mids when using two boxes, along with the extra SPL capacity of the 12's would give you an edge of about +4dB on your 2x10.


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I already got the Faitals but in a bigger box   https://forum.speakerplans.com/double-10inch-horn-top_topic95111.html

This cabinet works pretty good but it's and just to big/hard to handle for the small venues.  (a lot wasted space)
So this design is a lot smaller already.  Still trying to get is smaller do.
how big do you think the horn mount needs to be?
If i need to believe hornresp it's big enough  1600cm2

Yes it's not the easiest speaker to build but does it need to be easySmile
if it works and it matches your demands?
The Peter Morris cabinet is to wide for my opinion, i rather have i deeper box.
If the horn mount needs to bee bigger then there is no other option. but if i looked correctly his horn mount is 2000cm2. 


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Didn't spot you were trying to make use of drivers you already have. Are you going to build two boxes or one? If one then why not a stereo pair of simple 1x10s?

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Sorry ind't mentioned it Embarrassed

I've got 4 faitals and was planning to build 2 cabinets.
and maybe use only one for venues till 60 people. (small room)
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Originally posted by Noud Noud wrote:

The Peter Morris cabinet is to wide for my opinion, i rather have i deeper box.


That doesn't make sense - what you're proposing is a lot wider than the Peter Morris designs?
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Peter Morris design is 93cm wide/high i want to try to make them max 70cm
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Originally posted by Noud Noud wrote:

Peter Morris design is 93cm wide/high i want to try to make them max 70cm

Every drawing you've posted has the mids at the sides of the highs, making them a lot wider than the 35-ish cm of the PM...
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Peter morriss 930-H x430-D x 385-W

Noud  730-H x550-D x 430-W  trapezium 280-W

Volumes are almost the same 
my design is a bit deeper but less highSmile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote bass*en*mass Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 January 2018 at 7:02pm
why not simply just build 210 reflex cabs with good 1.4"s and suitable horns?
small, light, easy to build etc. etc. and should be loud enough for 200pax 100hz up..

btw. what sort of subs/setups do you use for your gigs?

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