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Originally posted by Tweeter_Box Tweeter_Box wrote:

what does the 10W actually do in a resistor?
Tells you how much power it can dissipate.
 
Not to be confused with the power rating of the product it's used in, as that depends on the overall circuit design.
 
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It's worth noting that wirewound power resistors are some of the most indestructible components; being simply a coil of nichrome wire on a heatproof stick in a ceramic casing, they "work" (ie provide the right resistance) right up until the point the wire melts, so even if they're glowing red-hot they can still be functional. I've seen units where the ceramic casing has burnt/fallen away leaving just a charred coil and former, but it still has continuity, and measures about the right number of ohms. EG the soft-start resistors in power amps are usually 25 or 50 watt units, but have to withstand a surge of several hundred watts during the start-up process; this over-rating is not a problem, and they survive many cycles.

So, basically, 1 watt of difference between an original and replacement part is no difference at all. 
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Cheers guys, perfect explanations
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Nachural Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 March 2015 at 3:53pm
I recently came across some passive crossovers where the ceramic resistor had survived but were glued to a plywood base which had charred badly. No wonder the customer could smell burning from the ports after a gig. LOL
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote njw Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 March 2015 at 6:40pm
This is what happened when the resistor in the soft start circuit of one of my C-Audios decided it had had enough; 
 
 
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 The rest of it was rattling around inside!LOL
 
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Originally posted by studio45 studio45 wrote:

It's worth noting that wirewound power resistors are some of the most indestructible components; being simply a coil of nichrome wire on a heatproof stick in a ceramic casing, they "work" (ie provide the right resistance) right up until the point the wire melts, so even if they're glowing red-hot they can still be functional. I've seen units where the ceramic casing has burnt/fallen away leaving just a charred coil and former, but it still has continuity, and measures about the right number of ohms. EG the soft-start resistors in power amps are usually 25 or 50 watt units, but have to withstand a surge of several hundred watts during the start-up process; this over-rating is not a problem, and they survive many cycles.

So, basically, 1 watt of difference between an original and replacement part is no difference at all. 


So in a passive crossover board replacing a 10w 10r with a 20w 10r would actually be better as theres less chance of it failing? And wouldnt alter the attenuation levels at all?
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Correct. 20w is just its power handling. Iv got a box of 10,15 and 20w wire wounds somewhere.... if it says 10w use that as your 'minimum requirement' rating.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote _djk_ Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 March 2015 at 7:45am
Be aware that those ceramic resistors will have a temperature rise of 250°C over ambient at their rated power.
 
Derated to 40% of rated power they will only be slightly warmer than boiling water!
 
Also keep in mind that solder melts around 180°C.
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Resistors are responsible for more faults in speaker crossovers than any other component. For the few pence that it costs, over-specify the resistors, and space them off the board.
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