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Posted: 23 July 2014 at 6:47pm

There big but sbh folded horns be nice , esp if mainly you require something for outside,lots of these beasts popping up now, plan is on here ,best results seem to be void v1000 driver, and will throw very nice outside much better than a g sub

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Posted: 24 July 2014 at 6:27pm

Had a look at sbh horns they look impressive and if I had an HGV licence I'd be building four right now unfortunately I think they would just prove too impractical logistically do the g subs go low and is there an eminence driver option as their units are within my budget as much as I'd love to load them with ultra quality units I have to way up pros and cons as I intend to hire this system to live bands locally I don't want to be forking out for more expensive units if some numpty blows a cone so I'd need to put units in that are replaceable using their deposit money to buy them so deposit would be affordable?

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Posted: 04 October 2014 at 11:35am

So would four 186 horns be as good as 8hds? I'm thinking if I can get the same amount of kick from four 186's then I could save on build cost and labour instead of building 8 hd's as I am building four x1 subs these would go on top of the x1 cabs then four x15 for mids and tops so I will be running two x1 and two 186 with two x15 per side ?

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Posted: 04 October 2014 at 12:41pm

If you go with a dedicated sub like the X1 i wouln't bother with the 186 but build "real" kicks.

Instead of HD15 you could also use BPH238/TSE215 or have a look at Staipers ES18 if you would like to use 18's.

And when using kickbins you don't need 15's for tops. I'd go with 12's or even 10" drivers so you can get away with crossing a bit higher to your comps.

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Posted: 04 October 2014 at 12:48pm

Is the 186 not a kick bin then as somebody told me it's not a sub so I thought the only other bass is mid bass or kick would it not run kick as well as what hd's do? Only reason being is they say each x1 needs two hd so that means I'd have to build eight of them I wanted to know if the 186 would be as good as two hd's per side so I could store them easier than the hd's so instead of four hd per side could I get away with two 186's instead ?

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Posted: 04 October 2014 at 1:06pm

The problem is that the 186 is more of a "general" bass bin. It doesn't go quite low enough to be a sub but also does honk quite a fair bit in the higher frequencies.

If it's packspace you are worried about then build the ES18's. They are smaller than the 186 horns but move considerably more air as HD15's. And for small gigs they could be used as single bass option (with a proper highpass) without subs.

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	There big but sbh folded horns be nice , esp if mainly you require something for outside,lots of these beasts popping up now, plan is on here ,best results seem to be void v1000 driver, and will throw very nice outside much better than a g sub Edited by paulus - 23 July 2014 at 6:48pm
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C-Audiofreak Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Registered User Joined: 12 June 2014 Location: Norfolk uk Status: Offline Points: 467	Post Options Post Reply Quote C-Audiofreak Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 July 2014 at 6:27pm
	Had a look at sbh horns they look impressive and if I had an HGV licence I'd be building four right now unfortunately I think they would just prove too impractical logistically do the g subs go low and is there an eminence driver option as their units are within my budget as much as I'd love to load them with ultra quality units I have to way up pros and cons as I intend to hire this system to live bands locally I don't want to be forking out for more expensive units if some numpty blows a cone so I'd need to put units in that are replaceable using their deposit money to buy them so deposit would be affordable?

C-Audiofreak Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Registered User Joined: 12 June 2014 Location: Norfolk uk Status: Offline Points: 467	Post Options Post Reply Quote C-Audiofreak Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 October 2014 at 11:35am
	So would four 186 horns be as good as 8hds? I'm thinking if I can get the same amount of kick from four 186's then I could save on build cost and labour instead of building 8 hd's as I am building four x1 subs these would go on top of the x1 cabs then four x15 for mids and tops so I will be running two x1 and two 186 with two x15 per side ?

all bass Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Old Croc Joined: 11 October 2012 Location: the Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 1855	Post Options Post Reply Quote all bass Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 October 2014 at 12:41pm
	If you go with a dedicated sub like the X1 i wouln't bother with the 186 but build "real" kicks. Instead of HD15 you could also use BPH238/TSE215 or have a look at Staipers ES18 if you would like to use 18's. And when using kickbins you don't need 15's for tops. I'd go with 12's or even 10" drivers so you can get away with crossing a bit higher to your comps. Edited by all bass - 04 October 2014 at 12:44pm

C-Audiofreak Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Registered User Joined: 12 June 2014 Location: Norfolk uk Status: Offline Points: 467	Post Options Post Reply Quote C-Audiofreak Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 October 2014 at 12:48pm
	Is the 186 not a kick bin then as somebody told me it's not a sub so I thought the only other bass is mid bass or kick would it not run kick as well as what hd's do? Only reason being is they say each x1 needs two hd so that means I'd have to build eight of them I wanted to know if the 186 would be as good as two hd's per side so I could store them easier than the hd's so instead of four hd per side could I get away with two 186's instead ?

all bass Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Old Croc Joined: 11 October 2012 Location: the Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 1855	Post Options Post Reply Quote all bass Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 October 2014 at 1:06pm
	The problem is that the 186 is more of a "general" bass bin. It doesn't go quite low enough to be a sub but also does honk quite a fair bit in the higher frequencies. If it's packspace you are worried about then build the ES18's. They are smaller than the 186 horns but move considerably more air as HD15's. And for small gigs they could be used as single bass option (with a proper highpass) without subs.