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BL has more of a factor at upper bass freq.    for true subwoofer operation the kilomax ain't to bad.  also, considering the xmax is 9.8 the BL is not to bad.  to raise the BL and keep the xmax the same the magnet would be huge.
 
Your design is the exception to rule although, I was wondering did you try numerous woofers before leaning towards the Kilomax 18, or did you just buy those.
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i had bought like 8 or 10 kilos when they firs came out with intentions of making 2X18 boxes..  made a few different reflex boxes.  hated the output of all of them.  i need high eff and low bass.  i liked the sound of my turbo tms3 bass section.  at that point i started to look at horns.  i had the kilos so i started there.
 
i did try using the aura 1808  (seismic at that time) after seeing that the similar bassmax subs used them.  they sucked big time.  hell, they suck in any box.  tried an EV 15dx.  the ev sounded good but over excersion would kill it at low freq.  so i stuck with the kilos for many yaers.  about a year ago i built the new dual 18 version seen here. 
 
i am sure there are better subs out there.  maybe some day i will design some new ones.  the bottom line is they are reliable, put out massive spl, go low and get the job done. 
 
Btw  this forum kicks ass.  i wish i would have known about it in 2001 when i was designing my subs by hand. 
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What one looks for is motor strength which is BL/sqrt(Re) which puts the LAB in a different perspective because its a 4 ohm driver
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Labb12 is a more of a 8 ohm driver.

It has dip to 6 ohms at just two frequecies. IIRC is was 40 and 80 Hz.
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DC Resistance (Re) 4.29

Which makes it more of a 6 Ohm nominal driver. Also compared to an 18" in a horn (which has similar Sd as 2x12) it again changes the perspective as there are two motors driving that same Sd.


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Originally posted by _djk_ _djk_ wrote:

"The Kilomax 18 BL Factor is 19.7 Telsa Meters. "

 

So Danley didn't have a clue when he designed the Lab12 driver with it's pitiful BL of only 15?


You cannot compare a 12 inch driver versus an 18 inch driver in terms of motor strength.

What's great for a 12 may not be enough with an 18 which is why, the QTS of the Kilomax 18 is 0.56

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Originally posted by logsquared logsquared wrote:

BL has more of a factor at upper bass freq.    for true subwoofer operation the kilomax ain't to bad.


I agree. This is why I mentioned your box being the exception to the rule. The Horn's length makes up the difference as if it was sitting in a large box.


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i had bought like 8 or 10 kilos when they firs came out with intentions of making 2X18 boxes..  made a few different reflex boxes.  hated the output of all of them.  i need high eff and low bass.  i liked the sound of my turbo tms3 bass section.  at that point i started to look at horns.  i had the kilos so i started there.


I understand where you stand now.

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i did try using the aura 1808  (seismic at that time) after seeing that the similar bassmax subs used them.  they sucked big time.  hell, they suck in any box.  tried an EV 15dx.  the ev sounded good but over excersion would kill it at low freq.  so i stuck with the kilos for many yaers.  about a year ago i built the new dual 18 version seen here. 


The Auras TS Parameters have changed throughout the years. I must have around 4 different Parameters from that driver when theu were being transfered from company to company.

It's ashame you didn't try the McCauley 6174. They offer a larger xmax, lower fs, over the Kilomax 18. And around a 0.34 QTS.

I heard them in Bassmaxx's B Two and they go much lower
than the Auras sitting in the B Zeros.

Nevertheless. You are happy with the sound, and that's all that matters.

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Edited by Elliot Thompson - 21 February 2007 at 4:47am
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the McCauley's look like a good match for my boxes.  i can't find them for less than ~600 USD.  i have 12 of the dual 18 horns.   24 X 600 = 14400.  ouch!  it would be great to get a pair and try them out.  of course if they sound magnitudes better they may be worth it.  know any distributors.
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As a matter of fact, I do.

www.pbellsound.com

He's the same gentlemen that hosted the Subwoofer Shootout of 2007, and, 2003.

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hey man hats off for that stunnig response of Kilomax.  will this work with the PD186 or 18W1400? can we have the inside look of the spkr.baffles.drawing and mesurements.  i would like to try one of those. THNX.
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I've always had the impression Kilomax are sh*te. Seems like they perform really well in that cab.
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Kilomax are sh*te, except in this cab lol

Logsquared have you still got the plans and spl response for the single 18" version? Id like to see how they compare to the dual

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the plans and graphs died with my old hard drive.  was part of the inspiration to design new ones.  the new subs have the same horn expansion but with a different fold.  also, i moved the drivers a few inches further up the horn.  the distance from the drivers to the throat is still less than 1/4 wavelentgh of the upper most freq needed.  the response is almost identical just 3db lower.  i don't know why but the new boxes seem to sound better from 90-120hz. 
 
i don't know if i would call the kilomax sh*te.  it depends on how you look at it.  or, what you are trying to accomplish.   for example:  to me the eaw sb1000 is total sh*te.  why?  because you need like 10 a side with 20Kw to make anything really happen.  and they cost big $.  however,  they work well for many people.  
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