ES18-BPH

biotec wrote: There is a french sound system called infraktion who have built several double versions. I am not sure which driver they are using but I was extremely suprised by how low they appeared to go. Their sound reminded me of the funktion one bin and they sounded significantly fuller than the USB.   I am not sure whether it was the driver or the design but I was suprised by how different they sounded to a similar opile of USBs.   I do not have huge experience of either but I think that as a tough Kick cab the USB is hard to beat, but the ES18-BPH does better as an all round bin in an extremly compact size.   I should add that it is likely that either will give the sound you want if you choose the right driver for the job.

Was quite unhappy with how it was run at the last frenchtek. dodgy console splitting the signal between various racks meant I couldn't send a summed signal to my bass amps. As if the stereo signal was out of phase.
annyway, ours are loaded with p.audio C18-650EL and each double bin gets 1400w @ 4ohm from a Lab Gruppen 2000c channel.
we run a stack of 6 (so 12 x C18-650EL drivers) 42hz-168hz precisely, there's no eq or anything else, just limiters (must do a proper SMAART session sometimes).
for feewer cabs I up the low cut off point to 45-48.
I've never had a chance to do a proper A-B test with the FK1 218 but after having listened to both or them for a long time at Boom festival last year, I think our double ES-18BPH sounds better and just as loud
What with them using one of the cheapest off the shelve 18" driver, and very little wood for a bass bin.

Overall we're very very pleased with our choice of bass bins, except shortly after our first build, p.audio announced the MKII, with new TS and power handling
I for one gonna have to buy some 2nd hand C18-650EL at some point.

Double Fred

SwenK wrote: Double Fred   Is the driver still suitable?   I assume the only reason you couldn't use the new drivers with the old just because of mixing drivers in the same band?   cheers   s.

new TS, doesn't mean it won't work but the original plan has been designed with different TS in mind.
anyway, the new drivers are rated at 850w I think, so my amps aren't quite powerfull enough to drive them (as opposed to the old 650w driver whih is just perfect for the amps).

double fred wrote: SwenK wrote: Double Fred   Is the driver still suitable?   I assume the only reason you couldn't use the new drivers with the old just because of mixing drivers in the same band?   cheers   s. new TS, doesn't mean it won't work but the original plan has been designed with different TS in mind. anyway, the new drivers are rated at 850w I think, so my amps aren't quite powerfull enough to drive them (as opposed to the old 650w driver whih is just perfect for the amps).

tested the new C18ELF in the ES18BPH , and found out is sounds better and goes a bit lower

has anyone tried using fane colossus 18xb in es-18s? i heard that they sound ok in usbs and i know they arent the same box exactly, but would it work?

double fred wrote: ... and stack the bass bins 2 wide 3 high underneath, would be a nice compact 10kw.

Been thinking this is going to be the way to go for the low end under my 4 MT121's.
I have access to SD-18's here in New Zealand, so it'd work out 2 stacks of ES-218's 3 high each side with 2 MT121's above per stack.
I have not found any info on how the SD-18's perform other than they have slightly more output & can extend lower than the C-18's in the ES18 cab...
Anyone know what low freq response a set-up like this should do?

I'm interested in the Stapier design as it appears simple in construction & figures/opinions on here are positive, my only problem is I have never heard them before so walking in the dark a little here to firm up what to build.

James


Edited by Sequence Empire:::.. - 05 July 2009 at 12:10am