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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Buffmarley Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 June 2009 at 12:56pm
not enough: Bridge Mode-Mono: 8 Ohms: 1800 Watts RMS

maybe on paper but not enough in practice
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Originally posted by biotec biotec wrote:

There is a french sound system called infraktion who have built several double versions. I am not sure which driver they are using but I was extremely suprised by how low they appeared to go. Their sound reminded me of the funktion one bin and they sounded significantly fuller than the USB.
 
I am not sure whether it was the driver or the design but I was suprised by how different they sounded to a similar opile of USBs.
 
I do not have huge experience of either but I think that as a tough Kick cab the USB is hard to beat, but the ES18-BPH does better as an all round bin in an extremly compact size.
 
I should add that it is likely that either will give the sound you want if you choose the right driver for the job.


Was quite unhappy with how it was run at the last frenchtek. dodgy console splitting the signal between various racks meant I couldn't send a summed signal to my bass amps. As if the stereo signal was out of phase.
annyway, ours are loaded with p.audio C18-650EL and each double bin gets 1400w @ 4ohm from a Lab Gruppen 2000c channel.
we run a stack of 6 (so 12 x C18-650EL drivers) 42hz-168hz precisely, there's no eq or anything else, just limiters (must do a proper SMAART session sometimes).
for feewer cabs I up the low cut off point to 45-48.
I've never had a chance to do a proper A-B test with the FK1 218 but after having listened to both or them for a long time at Boom festival last year, I think our double ES-18BPH sounds better and just as loud LOL
What with them using one of the cheapest off the shelve 18" driver, and very little wood for a bass bin.

Overall we're very very pleased with our choice of bass bins, except shortly after our first build, p.audio announced the MKII, with new TS and power handling Cry
I for one gonna have to buy some 2nd hand C18-650EL at some point.


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we use pd186 in our es18's and i realy like the sound, not had a proper chance for compartivive listening other than with 1 oem turbosound driver which can neither be baught nor reconed.

for those using es18 as sub bring the crossover up higher, it wont produce the low end anyway and your just eating up the power of the amp producing low end content out of the passband of the box.

i tried this myself having the crossover down at 20Hz and then bringing it up to 80HZ or so the signal light dropped on the amp from fullly on all the time to barley glinting and then turned the gains up and was met by a ton of kick.

you might be able to scrape another db or two out of them that way and if you have something go wrong your less likley to break the driver.


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Is the driver still suitable?
 
I assume the only reason you couldn't use the new drivers with the old just because of mixing drivers in the same band?
 
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has anyone tried using a fane colossus 18xb in es18s? we have some that need a new home and apart from scoops or reflex they seem to be useless for everything else!
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Originally posted by SwenK SwenK wrote:

Double Fred
 
Is the driver still suitable?
 
I assume the only reason you couldn't use the new drivers with the old just because of mixing drivers in the same band?
 
cheers
 
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new TS, doesn't mean it won't work but the original plan has been designed with different TS in mind.
anyway, the new drivers are rated at 850w I think, so my amps aren't quite powerfull enough to drive them (as opposed to the old 650w driver whih is just perfect for the amps).
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fred I heard the cabs at the teknival in France in may 2008. I saw your sound system setting up this year but didn't find you again!
 
It is the best I have heard those drivers sound. I think the £ to performance ratio is excellent.
me so horny, me love you long throw.
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Originally posted by double fred double fred wrote:

Originally posted by SwenK SwenK wrote:

Double Fred
 
Is the driver still suitable?
 
I assume the only reason you couldn't use the new drivers with the old just because of mixing drivers in the same band?
 
cheers
 
s.


new TS, doesn't mean it won't work but the original plan has been designed with different TS in mind.
anyway, the new drivers are rated at 850w I think, so my amps aren't quite powerfull enough to drive them (as opposed to the old 650w driver whih is just perfect for the amps).


tested the new C18ELF in the ES18BPH , and found out is sounds better and goes a bit lower
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Anyone got any of these in Sheffield or Manchester?

Me and a mate are thinking about building some and loading them with some RCFs hes got and we'd like to try the drivers in the cabs before doing the build. The sims look real good and they seem to go to 40Hz ok (but not flat) just want to see if the reality is anything like the sim.
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has anyone tried using fane colossus 18xb in es-18s? i heard that they sound ok in usbs and i know they arent the same box exactly, but would it work?
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Originally posted by biotec biotec wrote:

fred I heard the cabs at the teknival in France in may 2008. I saw your sound system setting up this year but didn't find you again!
 
It is the best I have heard those drivers sound. I think the £ to performance ratio is excellent.



you heard this :





and this is where we stand now :





causing damage Smile + a 508D in the back éé!

We use those TMS4 because we had them sitting in the lockup, I don't like their sound much, the mid-high is weak to my ears and furthermore the bottom section works in the same freq band as our bass bins.
I'd like to build 2 more "porn horn V1", and stack the bass bins 2 wide 3 high underneath, would be a nice compact 10kw.

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Originally posted by double fred double fred wrote:

... and stack the bass bins 2 wide 3 high underneath, would be a nice compact 10kw.


Been thinking this is going to be the way to go for the low end under my 4 MT121's.
I have access to SD-18's here in New Zealand, so it'd work out 2 stacks of ES-218's 3 high each side with 2 MT121's above per stack.
I have not found any info on how the SD-18's perform other than they have slightly more output & can extend lower than the C-18's in the ES18 cab...
Anyone know what low freq response a set-up like this should do?

I'm interested in the Stapier design as it appears simple in construction & figures/opinions on here are positive, my only problem is I have never heard them before so walking in the dark a little here to firm up what to build.

James


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